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Why I Will Never Go Back to the United States

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Re: Why I Will Never Go Back to the United States

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You are being pedantic here. Yes, I am aware of the fact that Jewish people vary and have a wide spectrum of physical appearances. Going by their definition that they are a race, the fact that people who either by virtue of having the wrong name, or wrong religion or potential links to the Arab world are flagged off and scrutinized more carefully is profiling.

You have seemingly replaced "Israelis" with "Jewish people" whereas about 20% of Israelis are not Jewish. I think if we discuss profiling it is important to see what kind of profiling, specifically, is applied, its reasons and consequences.

And you think those non jewish Israelis (mostly Arab) are treated as anything but second class citizens. Sorry, I am not the greatest critic of Israel and probably at some level think that they are pretty damn effective at what they do. However, go open up any report on how those people are discriminated against on a day to day basis.

Re: Why I Will Never Go Back to the United States

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I actually have no problem with people citing the World Socialist Website. That being said, the WSWS offers "Marxist analysis" of the news whereas Reuters and AP, although they may offer analysis, focus on objective reporting of the facts as opposed to analysis. Take a look at Reuters "trust principles" on their website. One principle is: "That Thomson Reuters shall supply unbiased and reliable news services to newsp…

You're still missing the point. I'm not comparing wsws to Reuters or the AP. I'm comparing it to the news outlets that take reuters and AP reports as sources which they then use to write their own articles.

There is "news" and there is "analysis" -- if you want to cite facts don't cite analysis from a publication that has a clear and stated bias. Usually the way AP and Reuters works is clients run what they write or "analyze" what they write. Why cite analysis if you want facts? Not trying to be adversarial here, just trying to understand what you are saying

Re: Why I Will Never Go Back to the United States

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That doesn't make any sense. Refugee applications/admittals are normally counted per year. A refugee who was awarded citizenship/residency would be counted in that year. But there are very few of them (certainly not hundreds of thousands) since Howard introduced the TPV in '99, and anyway who cares? Do you also need to know how many Australians are descended from 1 pound Poms to see how many refugees we should allow…

> Refugee applications/admittals are normally counted per year. Yes, but whenever someone says "Australia has less refugees than Germany", they are talking about total displaced persons. Germany rarely grants PR or citizenship to refugees, because they are mostly on TPVs (thus still refugees). > You should know that 'resettlement' actually means 'sending to a third country', and yes we do resettle more refugees than…

Hm, perhaps. I'm not sure I agree that this changes the discussion much, because Germany does end up with many of them staying in the country for years on those temporary visas with government support, and also has a much much larger population of actually 'illegal' immigrants (people who were denied status or never applied) who remain there long term. It depends on the point being argued, I guess.

On the second point - you're right. I was thinking of the use of the term to cover the resettlement of refugees to Papua New Guinea under our new programs, but it goes both ways and the 'one of the top countries' is referring to the refugees we accept.

Re: Why I Will Never Go Back to the United States

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Just an FYI if you can stand to look past your own prejudice and ill-informed speculation: 1. I've lived (and worked) overseas in both Europe and the Middle East. 2. I've visited and spent great deals of time in South America, Central America. I haven't been to Asia but that's been mainly a function of time than opportunity. That'll probably change next year with a trip to Singapore. 3. I've run out of pages in my pa…

Now that you've got this out of your system and let everybody know how awesome your life experiences are, would you like to address the individual points in my reply or would you like to brag a bit more and hurl some more insults? While it was unfair of me to bring up the passport thing, you completely missed the point of my post.

No, I didn't miss the point of your post. I understood it completely amidst the insults you hurled MY way and the way you misread what I was trying to say.

I will however accept your apology and reward that with this little gem:

You can get rich in a place called China or in a place called Russia, but you can't criticize the government there AT ALL or you will end up in jail or dead. Or alive and wishing you were dead. Americans, rich and poor, criticize the government all the time, and don't worry about this (much).

There are western countries (like France) where you can get rich and live (mostly) free, but you'll be constantly hounded by the taxing authorities to support their ever-grander uses for the money you earned. Like political elites? Like enclaves of power you can't ever penetrate? France has 'em in spades. In America, you can go to a crappy school and still become President. We've had Presidents with only a high-school diploma. Some had no formal education.

You can live in some Middle Eastern countries like a sheik, but you'll be dependent on a ruling class that holds power via a system of socially acceptable corruption and religious oppression. But hey: LOW TAXES.

You can find examples of places that have individual things that are better (sometimes a LOT better) than we have in the US.

What you can't find is a nation anywhere in the world that has the same level of disparate groups living in more-or-less peaceful coexistence to keep the country moving forward. We have every kind of person from every kind of place with every crazy religion you can imagine. We have so many choices that people make up their own religions. We have so many mixed nationalities in offspring that we have almost lost the idea of what it means to be from-somewhere-else.

It's not any one thing, but the combination of things that has made this place great. We are more cacophonous than many other places but also more resilient. It's tough but we manage. We make mistakes but the people course-correct. We elect bad leaders and then elect good ones.

But if you ask me if I would rather live anywhere else, the answer is NO. I still think the USA is the best place.

But seriously dude, you need to THINK before you attack: You might just learn something. Not all of us older types are terminally fuddy-duddy.

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Interestingly, in the developed world it seems to be the Anglophone countries that have the shittiest attitude towards border control these days. The US is notoriously user-hostile at the borders. The UK is doing its best to catch up in a Mini-Me way with the USA's Dr Evil, and is actually on course to become even more hostile than the USA -- the only mitigating factor is that the third degree is reserved for non-cit…

You most probably hold a British passport which is a very valuable document. Let me tell you as a holder of a not as valuable passport, who needed a visa to get anywhere, how I have seen the world. I now live in the US. Before coming to US I visited many European countries. At the border of all those European countries I was treated as a criminal. I waited very long hours while people in front of me holding same kind…

Hey,

Belgian here, I've registered just to reply to your comment.

> Let me tell you as a holder of a not as valuable passport [...]

> Even people associated with people of my nationality [...]

What's so secret about your nationality ?

Your comment doesn't make any sens, you're are comparing a pre-Schengen era (which means prior 1985 - more than 25 years ago!) to a post-9/11 era.

As a Belgian, I've been traveling for 20 years around many countries in Europe and North Africa without ever being bothered by the customs.

On the other hand, while - as a kid - visiting the USA was a dream, it is now something that wouldn't even come to my mind when I see how much freedom and privacy (more broadly human rights) you've got to give up to come to the USA (the situation being even worst for foreigners [non-American]).

Re: Why I Will Never Go Back to the United States

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Then answer this bizarre question; Why would a person with the intention of doing some stunt use mismatching documents? If this person is a terrorist or some kind of outlaw, would not s/he use fake docs telling a story reputable to customs officers/TSA? I believe this security theatre is nothing but a money sink hole. Use whatever means are necessary to make transportation unpleasant to honest travelers if it does no…

It's the easiest question you can ask and one of the simplest security processes you can ever put in place. Let's assume you are a bad person on the no fly list. 1) Go to an airport, hang around the bathrooms in the pre-security area. Wait till somebody drops a boarding pass. Board a plane and do bad things. 2) Go to an airport, have an associate who's not on the no fly list buy a boarding pass. He gives it to you. B…

There is no need for these scenarios. I would just print out some obscure countries ID and / or passport with basic printing utilities. And a boarding pass? Does not even require any special deal.

Re: Why I Will Never Go Back to the United States

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U.S. Immigration agents are trained to look for certain traits in visitors: nervousness, unusual or inconsistent answers to questions, history of visiting certain countries. Any of these characteristics trigger an automatic escalation in the interrogation process. This individual, albeit sounding perfectly innocent, unfortunately triggered several hot buttons and the hapless agents were too unimaginative, uninformed,…

Well, most people would be nervous and give inconsistent answers under pressure, EXCEPT trained spies and high ranking terrorists, so yeah, that's stupid as duck.

Re: Why I Will Never Go Back to the United States

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And woe be unto you if you refuse: http://knifetricks.blogspot.com/2010/04/i-am-detained-by-fed...

I read the whole thing and then read this part: >3. This Is About Power, Not Security. The CBP goons want U.S. citizens to answer their questions as a ritualistic bow to their power. Well, CBP has no power over me. I am a law-abiding citizen, and, as such, I am the master, and the federal cops are my servants. They would do well to remember that. Why would they do well to remember that? Do you have some kind of power…

You can... get yourself in jail for days/weeks :-D.

Re: Why I Will Never Go Back to the United States

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It is a very unpleasant experience being refused entry to a country, which has considerable lost costs as a result. I had much a similar experience as OP and can only agree.

I'm not disputing that, but I would suggest a recalibration of the author's other attitudes, then. The author revels in the pomp and circumstance of the border crossing... Just what does he think those are there for?

Uh, being justly analyzed and NOT be treated as a terrorist and taken to weird, scary and isolated places at the slightest misgiving would be nice.

I imagine he'll get over it, but will be cursing US CBP agents for the rest of his life now...

Re: Why I Will Never Go Back to the United States

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Under US law, any person may change their name to anything at any time for any reason. So if your name is really your biggest enemy, the fix is not so hard.

"If you don't like us mistreating you then change your name". Good point.

Let me suggest that if, in fact, your largest problem is something you can make vanish immediately, just by wishing it to be so, then you don't have many, or serious, problems.

Obviously, it's demeaning to change your name just because someone else doesn't like it. If it were actually giving you trouble, it wouldn't be a hard choice.

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