DBSlayer - SQL over JSON for easy scaling-- from the folks at NYTimes.com
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Re: DBSlayer - SQL over JSON for easy scaling-- from the folks at NYTimes.com
#2It's cool that NYT is releasing some of their code as open source projects, but I'm not sure I understand this particular project. The first thing I thought of when I heard "SQL" and "JSON" in the same sentence was "oh please don't let this be some client side JavaScript SQL thing"... it basically exposes your database as a HTTP service: you send it SQL in a HTTP request and it returns JSON in a HTTP response. Where's the authentication? What's stopping someone from doing "http://myserver.com:9090/db?DROP%20TABLE%20articles" or something?
Re: DBSlayer - SQL over JSON for easy scaling-- from the folks at NYTimes.com
#3It's cool that NYT is releasing some of their code as open source projects, but I'm not sure I understand this particular project. The first thing I thought of when I heard "SQL" and "JSON" in the same sentence was "oh please don't let this be some client side JavaScript SQL thing"... it basically exposes your database as a HTTP service: you send it SQL in a HTTP request and it returns JSON in a HTTP response. Where'…
This is basically just a database proxy, but allows the responses to be transmitted as JSON, which is cool because it can interface with just about any other server backend that supports HTTP requests and can parse JSON.
I can't find any indication of being able to authenticate with the HTTP request. So I assume this means you would need to ensure the connection between the web server and DB proxy services were locked down, meaning no access outside of the subnet between the severs. I guess since the service pools connections to the actual DB that is where the authentication to the DB is handled. However like you say if someone could get access to the DBSlayer they could get access to all of your data, if this were the case. An option would be to just use SSL if it were supported. There is a bit more overhead with this, but if you are not needing to make tons of frequent queries it should be fine and sufficiently secure. I cant find any info on if SSL is supported..
Still though, if it could be made secure I like this because it is so universal.
Re: DBSlayer - SQL over JSON for easy scaling-- from the folks at NYTimes.com
#4It's cool that NYT is releasing some of their code as open source projects, but I'm not sure I understand this particular project. The first thing I thought of when I heard "SQL" and "JSON" in the same sentence was "oh please don't let this be some client side JavaScript SQL thing"... it basically exposes your database as a HTTP service: you send it SQL in a HTTP request and it returns JSON in a HTTP response. Where'…
My assumption is that it is for read only access to specific tables, which is perfectly sensible and safe.
Re: DBSlayer - SQL over JSON for easy scaling-- from the folks at NYTimes.com
#5This is quite a brilliant little idea. A couple of years ago I was involved in a newspaper project (Boston.com) that used Squid with ESI to build the page from disparate Zope backend servers, and it resolved quite a lot of problems--like being able to have a fast and database-less server in the front that could make decisions about which backend servers to draw from based on the required content. The backend servers then didn't need full copies of the database, because they would only ever be asked for content they were authoritative for.
DBSlayer takes the web server and the proxy server out of the picture, and puts the site building burden (to some degree) on the client. It could, theoretically, also make decisions about which database to query, such that the memory caches on the database servers will always be primed with the content that the database is authoritative for.
The comments so far seem concerned about security...but DBSlayer wouldn't need write access, or access to all tables. It could simply be a read-only window into some tables. I guess that's a foreign notion to folks who do everything in one process, which has to have write access...but it's one of the aspects of proper databases that makes them useful in large scale deployments.
Re: DBSlayer - SQL over JSON for easy scaling-- from the folks at NYTimes.com
#6I wish they had given examples of how they use it internally. From the lack of authentication I would guess that they don't call it directly from the client, but it could be made safe for certain readonly data.
While their reasons for using http and its benefits are clear, I'm still trying to figure out why they used json though. Why not XML or a compact binary protocol?
Re: DBSlayer - SQL over JSON for easy scaling-- from the folks at NYTimes.com
#7This is cool stuff, guys. Using JSON means you can put the authentication in the HTTP request, split up the services between various platforms, proxy out the web apps to any kind of tech, and scale the page load performance in a hardware-agnostic fashion.
I wrote someting a few years ago with JSON. IMO, it's way better than that old XMLHTTPRequest stuff. Done correctly, it really makes this web-as-a-platform thing sing.
Very cool stuff.
Re: DBSlayer - SQL over JSON for easy scaling-- from the folks at NYTimes.com
#8I wish they had given examples of how they use it internally. From the lack of authentication I would guess that they don't call it directly from the client, but it could be made safe for certain readonly data. While their reasons for using http and its benefits are clear, I'm still trying to figure out why they used json though. Why not XML or a compact binary protocol?
"From the lack of authentication I would guess that they don't call it directly from the client"
I don't see how lack of authentication has anything to do with requests coming directly from the client.
Do you make people authenticate before they can read your website?
Re: DBSlayer - SQL over JSON for easy scaling-- from the folks at NYTimes.com
#9This is quite a brilliant little idea. A couple of years ago I was involved in a newspaper project (Boston.com) that used Squid with ESI to build the page from disparate Zope backend servers, and it resolved quite a lot of problems--like being able to have a fast and database-less server in the front that could make decisions about which backend servers to draw from based on the required content. The backend servers…
I do think there would be serious security implications in exposing read-only access to even a limited number of tables via arbitrary queries from clients. DoS would be trivial and unexpected data leaks easy. Having to explicitly expose parts of your data only as you intend is a great security precaution (and good use of abstraction).
But I don't think the intended use is to have client browsers hit DBSlayer directly. My understanding is that you send SQL from your app layer via HTTP to DBSlayer then it hits a DB and returns JSON.
Re: DBSlayer - SQL over JSON for easy scaling-- from the folks at NYTimes.com
#10Brilliant... I suspect that quite a large number of similar projects already exist in non-open-source fashion.