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Microsoft to Vista Owners: You'll Pay for Our Mistake

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Re: Microsoft to Vista Owners: You'll Pay for Our Mistake

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Post by amalcon »

DarkShikari wrote: post #6
wyday wrote: post #2

Vista is a good operating system. Much better than XP. Windows 7 is better than both. This article is just another in a long line of "I heard Vista sucks (but never tried it) and 7 is good (but never tried it)" articles. It's a cliché argument with a predictable conclusion. There's not a single interesting, unique, or insightful thought in this article.

Why is it that the entire internet is covered with opinions mirroring this, dismissing everyone who doesn't like Vista as "having not tried it", but whenever I actually ask people in real life, the universal conclusion of everyone who has tried it is that it was terrible? These people who think Vista was a great step forward seem to only exist on the internet and nowhere else.

You're requesting information from people you talk to in real life. People are volunteering it on the internet. You're naturally going to get different biases.

I know my experience in real life was colored by a few people trying Vista Business early on (on new hardware) and deciding that the new features were not worth the performance penalty. Everyone I know who's done this, including myself, has "downgraded" to XP (as Microsoft allows).

People I know in real life who are considering Vista now are somewhat disinclined to do so, in favor of just waiting for Windows 7.

Re: Microsoft to Vista Owners: You'll Pay for Our Mistake

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Post by stratomorph »

wyday wrote: post #7
DarkShikari wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it that the entire internet is covered with opinions mirroring this, dismissing everyone who doesn't like Vista as "having not tried it", but whenever I actually ask people in real life, the universal conclusion of everyone who has tried it is that it was terrible? These people who think Vista was a great step forward seem to only exist on the internet and nowhere else.

> seem to only exist on the internet and nowhere else. Is this a metaphysics question? I exist outside of the internet. > dismissing everyone who doesn't like Vista I wasn't dismissing every argument against Vista. Just this guy's. There are several valid arguments against Vista. Namely, it has heftier memory requirements (at least 2 gigs) and needs a decent video card ($150+). These are real concerns, and problems X…

"Existing on the internet and nowhere else" is a typical way to categorize people, given the existence of global communication. Having never met either of you (as far as I know), you only exist on the internet to me, and to each other. The rest is opaque.

As for Vista, we're not dealing with it as it is, but as it is reputed to be. And it has a terrible reputation. The technical merits versus XP can be argued, but its poor image is hard to contest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Windows_Vista.

We take that as a premise, because the technical bits don't matter any more, in the presence of Windows 7. The meat is the use of price as a tool to drive better initial reception of 7 than Vista. There's no need to analyze "Vista bad", because it is already widely believed to be bad.

Re: Microsoft to Vista Owners: You'll Pay for Our Mistake

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Post by drawkbox »

wyday wrote: post #2

Vista is a good operating system. Much better than XP. Windows 7 is better than both. This article is just another in a long line of "I heard Vista sucks (but never tried it) and 7 is good (but never tried it)" articles. It's a cliché argument with a predictable conclusion. There's not a single interesting, unique, or insightful thought in this article.

Vista might not be good but for actual users it is better than XP. But Vista is not revolutionary and it is actually not aging that well (my quick launch items on 64-bit, 8GB ram just stopped working or work randomly). Windows 7 is the same system so really it is just Vista with fixes.

After more people get a whiff of OSX it is all over. OSX is really the dream. Once they went nix and intel based (Apple) OSX is the power of nix with the best OS gui to date. Microsoft will be in a world of hurt if they dont' redo their OS from the ground up (it is a pile of legacy pain), they'd be smart to base it on *nix but never will.

Re: Microsoft to Vista Owners: You'll Pay for Our Mistake

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Post by lallysingh »

wyday wrote: post #2

Vista is a good operating system. Much better than XP. Windows 7 is better than both. This article is just another in a long line of "I heard Vista sucks (but never tried it) and 7 is good (but never tried it)" articles. It's a cliché argument with a predictable conclusion. There's not a single interesting, unique, or insightful thought in this article.

Indeed, but it does match what the general belief is for both. Remember, reality is only so relevant.

Re: Microsoft to Vista Owners: You'll Pay for Our Mistake

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Post by mattchew »

wyday wrote: post #2

Vista is a good operating system. Much better than XP. Windows 7 is better than both. This article is just another in a long line of "I heard Vista sucks (but never tried it) and 7 is good (but never tried it)" articles. It's a cliché argument with a predictable conclusion. There's not a single interesting, unique, or insightful thought in this article.

> Vista is a good operating system. Much better than XP.

Depends. I occasionally run Vista for testing, and I do it in a VM with 1.2 GB memory. It is not pleasant.

You may say that's my own damn fault, and you may be right, but it still feels offensive to me to need 2GB of RAM just to run the OS at an acceptable speed.

Re: Microsoft to Vista Owners: You'll Pay for Our Mistake

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Post by ensignavenger »

TweedHeads wrote: post #8

Years ago, when computers were $1000 or more, it seemed plausible to charge $200 for an OS. Nowadays, with netbooks around $250 it is not such a good idea. Much worse during a recession.

That is why they have a lower priced starter version, and why OEM's can get less expensive licenses.

Re: Microsoft to Vista Owners: You'll Pay for Our Mistake

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Post by ensignavenger »

wyday wrote: post #7
DarkShikari wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it that the entire internet is covered with opinions mirroring this, dismissing everyone who doesn't like Vista as "having not tried it", but whenever I actually ask people in real life, the universal conclusion of everyone who has tried it is that it was terrible? These people who think Vista was a great step forward seem to only exist on the internet and nowhere else.

> seem to only exist on the internet and nowhere else. Is this a metaphysics question? I exist outside of the internet. > dismissing everyone who doesn't like Vista I wasn't dismissing every argument against Vista. Just this guy's. There are several valid arguments against Vista. Namely, it has heftier memory requirements (at least 2 gigs) and needs a decent video card ($150+). These are real concerns, and problems X…

I don't think Vista needs a $150 video card, but your right on the memory. (When Vista came out, it might have needed a $150 video card- but prices have since come down.)

Re: Microsoft to Vista Owners: You'll Pay for Our Mistake

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Post by kragen »

TweedHeads wrote: post #8

Years ago, when computers were $1000 or more, it seemed plausible to charge $200 for an OS. Nowadays, with netbooks around $250 it is not such a good idea. Much worse during a recession.

I imagine they'll be charging less for Windows 7 preinstalled on netbooks, just as airlines charge less for round-trips with a Saturday-night stayover.

Re: Microsoft to Vista Owners: You'll Pay for Our Mistake

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Post by azbob »

nopassrecover wrote: post #9
DarkShikari wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it that the entire internet is covered with opinions mirroring this, dismissing everyone who doesn't like Vista as "having not tried it", but whenever I actually ask people in real life, the universal conclusion of everyone who has tried it is that it was terrible? These people who think Vista was a great step forward seem to only exist on the internet and nowhere else.

Vista was terrible, Windows 7 is awesome.

They're the same effing O/S. :rolleyes:
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