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Australis is landing in Firefox Nightly

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Re: Australis is landing in Firefox Nightly

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Post by gverri »

krelian wrote: post #92

So nitpickers might point out differences but you cannot deny that the basic tab looks just like Chrome's. When Chrome came out with this it was new and innovative. Now it looks like a copy. When this blatant copying happens (and it happens in many places; it's no wonder all phones look like a variation of the original iphone) I always wonder if the designers really did convince themselves that their design is differ…

If I'm not mistaken Chrome's bar is just a copy from Opera also (witch i'm sure didn't came up with the concept).

The thing is: there are UX patterns that are better than others. That's not copying, it's just common sense.

Re: Australis is landing in Firefox Nightly

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Post by Systemic33 »

fjk wrote: post #105

It's live :) My knee-jerk reaction is that I like the old UI better... I do feel that the tab layout is preferable to Chrome's tab layout because the inactive tabs are faded and not round. http://grab.by/s8ne

When I look at your screenshot, it really doesn't look like Chrome at all. Well as much as any browser looks the same with url bar, etc.

Re: Australis is landing in Firefox Nightly

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Post by munificent »

asadotzler wrote: post #99
krelian wrote: post #92

So nitpickers might point out differences but you cannot deny that the basic tab looks just like Chrome's. When Chrome came out with this it was new and innovative. Now it looks like a copy. When this blatant copying happens (and it happens in many places; it's no wonder all phones look like a variation of the original iphone) I always wonder if the designers really did convince themselves that their design is differ…

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3696/8994445994_c0939b83ca_o.p... I recommend you take another look. They're not really the same at all. Firefox's designers were not going for the angular and mechanical chrome look at all. They were designing something softer, rounder and more human.

> I recommend you take another look.

Actually, I recommend you take another look. Chrome's tabs are significantly more rounded than in your illustration.

Re: Australis is landing in Firefox Nightly

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Post by jeorgun »

shorlander wrote: post #86
jeorgun wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I only hope they're also getting rid of GTK icons on the main chrome. They make (unthemed) Firefox on a high-DPI screen completely unusable. (Why? Scaling up page content (via layout.css.devPixelsPerPx) also scales up chrome, including the (already properly sized) icons­— so every icon in Fx ends up being four times larger than it should.)

We are replacing the GTK icons with custom icons. Are you manually changing layout.css.devPixelsPerPx to support a hidpi display?

Excellent! I'm glad to hear it.

Yeah— is there a better way I should be doing it?

(Also, as an aside, I've been a huge fan of your work with Firefox for years, so, uh, thanks for everything you've done on it).

Re: Australis is landing in Firefox Nightly

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Post by DrJokepu »

troymc wrote: post #108
krelian wrote: post #92

So nitpickers might point out differences but you cannot deny that the basic tab looks just like Chrome's. When Chrome came out with this it was new and innovative. Now it looks like a copy. When this blatant copying happens (and it happens in many places; it's no wonder all phones look like a variation of the original iphone) I always wonder if the designers really did convince themselves that their design is differ…

Tabs are a design idea that predates the web. You'll find them on physical file folders, binders, and address books, for example. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that tabs were invented hundreds of years ago.

I think OP was talking about Chrome’s tabs specifically. Their appearance and the way they function. Firefox had tabs well before Chrome (and IIRC Opera had tabs well before Firefox).

Re: Australis is landing in Firefox Nightly

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Post by krelian »

asadotzler wrote: post #99
krelian wrote: post #92

So nitpickers might point out differences but you cannot deny that the basic tab looks just like Chrome's. When Chrome came out with this it was new and innovative. Now it looks like a copy. When this blatant copying happens (and it happens in many places; it's no wonder all phones look like a variation of the original iphone) I always wonder if the designers really did convince themselves that their design is differ…

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3696/8994445994_c0939b83ca_o.p... I recommend you take another look. They're not really the same at all. Firefox's designers were not going for the angular and mechanical chrome look at all. They were designing something softer, rounder and more human.

That's exactly the nitpicking I was referring to. If the corners are round or not makes little difference. The main thing here is the general outline of the tab and it's position in the window. If we can expand further we can also include the main menu which is in exactly the same spot with the same icon (maybe it's a standard icon, I've never seen it before Chrome and in earlier versions Chrome had, if I recall correctly, a wrench and screwdriver icon).

Re: Australis is landing in Firefox Nightly

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Post by jeorgun »

DrJokepu wrote: post #116
troymc wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tabs are a design idea that predates the web. You'll find them on physical file folders, binders, and address books, for example. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that tabs were invented hundreds of years ago.

I think OP was talking about Chrome’s tabs specifically. Their appearance and the way they function. Firefox had tabs well before Chrome (and IIRC Opera had tabs well before Firefox).

Chrome's tab shape didn't exactly originate in a vacuum, though.

https://www.google.com/search?tbs=imgo%3A1&tbm=isch&q=manila...

It seems slightly disingenuous to claim that every use of non-square tabs is copying Chrome.

Re: Australis is landing in Firefox Nightly

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Post by espadrine »

munificent wrote: post #113
asadotzler wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3696/8994445994_c0939b83ca_o.p... I recommend you take another look. They're not really the same at all. Firefox's designers were not going for the angular and mechanical chrome look at all. They were designing something softer, rounder and more human.

> I recommend you take another look. Actually, I recommend you take another look. Chrome's tabs are significantly more rounded than in your illustration.

There's a bit of an optical illusion. Next to a curvy tab, Chrome's tab looks angular.

Here's an actual side-by-side snapshot: " rel="nofollow">http://i.imgur.com/sUGCX5I.png>

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