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Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

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Re: Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

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As a Russian-American this comes off as complete BS. I've seen this written before and it's always in the form of "It's not us that smile too little, it's you Americans that are fake and smile too much!". For one, Americans don't just smile to be polite. For the most part it's genuinely conveying positive emotions. Now I know this is going to be unpopular, but I think the real reason Russians don't smile is cultural.…

I agree and I had my remark down voted, you know it by the number of suicides.

We pay a price for living with terrible weather, with no sun light half of the year, where you can't get out of buildings because it is so freezing cold.

I would say what you see in places like Costa Rica(pura vida!!) is genuine happiness because people need much more the Sun and friendships for being happy than a Ferrari or whatever we could buy.

Re: Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

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As a Russian-American this comes off as complete BS. I've seen this written before and it's always in the form of "It's not us that smile too little, it's you Americans that are fake and smile too much!". For one, Americans don't just smile to be polite. For the most part it's genuinely conveying positive emotions. Now I know this is going to be unpopular, but I think the real reason Russians don't smile is cultural.…

Socialism makes every other person a potential enemy and a potential victim. Resources are scarce. People come to hate one another.

Capitalism makes every other person at worst a neutral non-threat and at best a potential trading partner. Resources are plentiful. People feel benevolent towards one another.

This is not an apology for America; America is only semi-capitalist. You can see Americans getting meaner over time as the country shifts more in the socialist direction. There is less everday that makes America distinct from Europe.

Re: Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

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I served a Mormon mission in eastern Ukraine (not Russia, but very Soviet), which meant I went from one day being surrounded by Americans to walking around the streets of eastern Ukraine trying to talk with everyone I met on the street (a decidedly non-Ukrainian thing to do).

One day while we were walking the sun came out for just a minute - a fairly rare occurrence during a Ukrainian winter, and I walked around the streets beaming. When I started talking to a man, he stopped mid-sentence and said, "Are you high?"

I figured what he was saying was in regard to our talking about the Bible (he certainly wouldn't have been the first to ask that question with regard to religious belief), but he legitimately thought I was high. He went on to say (I paraphrase), "You're just walking around the streets talking with people, seemingly fascinated by anything I talk about, and with a big grin (усмешка) on your face. That's not normal."

And, to be fair, it was pretty rare that I was in such a mood.

If you think about it, the smile that Americans force a lot of the time is very fake. Think about families smiling in their pictures - they look vaguely happy, but there's a noticeable difference between that and when you can see a genuine smile. If you're a Russian, why pretend? And while I still smile in pictures, I can see their point.

When I got back to the US after having been in eastern Ukraine for two years, I got the opposite reaction. "Are you depressed?" or "Are you doing OK?" While living in Ukraine had been a culture shock and forced me to see the world quite differently than growing up in small-town Utah suburbia, I was by no means depressed. I just held myself in a different way. I also spoke more with exaggerated hand motions, had different intonation, and was shocked at how I could give a $100 bill to a cashier at the grocery store without getting in trouble.

Re: Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

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That said, the Russian humor page for Wikipedia is can be a real treat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_jokes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_jokes#The_Golden_Fish may be one of my favorites on there.

A Russian friend of mine explained that it's sort of inappropriate to go around smiling, esp for males. There's also kind of a cultural thing going on where Russians perceive themselves as being able to screw up almost any situation. It seems there's a lot of black/gallows humor oriented around this bleak outlook.

Re: Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

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post #24

As a Russian-American this comes off as complete BS. I've seen this written before and it's always in the form of "It's not us that smile too little, it's you Americans that are fake and smile too much!". For one, Americans don't just smile to be polite. For the most part it's genuinely conveying positive emotions. Now I know this is going to be unpopular, but I think the real reason Russians don't smile is cultural.…

Socialism makes every other person a potential enemy and a potential victim. Resources are scarce. People come to hate one another. Capitalism makes every other person at worst a neutral non-threat and at best a potential trading partner. Resources are plentiful. People feel benevolent towards one another. This is not an apology for America; America is only semi-capitalist. You can see Americans getting meaner over t…

You do realize that most of Western Europe is socialist? That some of the countries that enjoy the highest quality of life and happiness are socialist?

How do you square that with what you've written?

Re: Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

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I can somewhat agree as an Eastern-European. When I started to work for US/UK companies, I had to learn a lot about adaptation and interpreting the different signal set.

The funny thing is that many (big) companies say that they're pro-diversity, they like and must have people from different cultures while in reality it's 99% about other cultures adapting to them. For somebody from Europe that's not that hard, but people from Asia usually find it much more difficult. And they're sometimes perceived as not smart/ignorant while they're just used to different kind of communication. We (technology workers from in Hungary or EEU) are usually perceived (in the eyes of US/UK citizens) as direct, honest, straightforward but sometimes very unpolite persons, while in reality we are just used to different gestures.

Re: Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

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post #7

Living in far Northern Canada I can relate to this. Up here, if someone wants to smile and say "Have a nice day", they will do so while making eye contact and you can tell they genuinely mean it. They are usually prompting you for further friendly chit-chat and happiness. Even when there are other customers waiting in line - those customers will be made to wait while two people have a friendly chat. When they don't w…

> I genuinely wonder if the climate has something to do with this. Extreme cold and very dark days tend to bring people together, and tends to make people more genuine and humble, in my experience.

I don't think it's the climate, at least it's not the sole reason. After all, Russia is a huge country and Russians live all over it - from Siberia to the Russian Black Sea coast with its subtropical climate.

I suspect it has to do with the average hardship of life and, at least with Russia, major social and economic upheavals that happen often enough for every generation of Russians to be affected.

> Extreme cold and very dark days tend to bring people together

Also, this is probably the last thing that comes to mind about Russians in general. For the most part, they are notoriously individualistic.

Re: Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

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I worked with some Russians a few years ago. Great guys. One wasn't very well adapted to American culture. He came to my cube one day. He's like "Let's go get a smoke", but his face and tone was flat, so it came across as "You've pissed me off in some way and I'm probably going to kick your ass now". I demurred. A couple more offers over the next few days and I finally relented (I don't smoke, but went to hang out).…

I'm not Russian, but when somebody's smile is too artificial/fake - I call it American smile. I think it is quite a common term [in Europe] ;)
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