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Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

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Re: Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

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post #9

There's really no need to be stingy with your smile. If you smile more often at work, even if there's nothing specific to be happy about, it really does lighten up the mood and make people cheerier. People will want to work with you more. Also, I hope I don't sound like a sociopath here, but smiles are a form of brain hacking. If they are genuine, or at least seem genuine, they disarm people and make them more recept…

Did you read the article? The whole thing is basically an argument for why your comment is culturally insensitive and myopic.

Re: Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

#12

I would say it is the terrible weather, too cold in winter, too hot in summer. It probably means something like "serious people are the rulers, because if you do stupid crazy things you are dead" over thousands of years that forge a culture. Russia is so big, and yet so ugly. I took the transsiberian train and it was so boring. In 40kms of Chile you see more than in 3000 of transsiberian. In Winter there is no light,…

Did you read the article?

Yes.

The article talks about the fact, I create an hypothesis about the reason.

When you travel the world you see there is a correspondence between seriousness and weather. You go to Brasil and the South is way more serious than the North. In Europe-North America it is the opposite, as they are in a different hemisphere.

Re: Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

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As a Russian-American this comes off as complete BS. I've seen this written before and it's always in the form of "It's not us that smile too little, it's you Americans that are fake and smile too much!".

For one, Americans don't just smile to be polite. For the most part it's genuinely conveying positive emotions.

Now I know this is going to be unpopular, but I think the real reason Russians don't smile is cultural. It's because they are genuinely more cynical miserable people. This is completely a generalization and there are tons of exceptions on an individual level, but on average life (especially in the cities) is more cut throat, it's cold, the authorities are corrupt, people are asshole to each other in public, and if anything goes wrong you can be darn well be sure that no one will help you[1]. There is no sense of community, or impulse for people to help each other out and being nice to strangers. So naturally you're worried you'll get robbed or whatever - so you keep to yourself, don't make eye-contact, and don't smile.

If you go to the country side, people are a lot more likely to smile at you.

A bit of an aside - I've found it's also a very Slavic thing. Prague had very similar miserable faces, which Budapest was full of smiles (though economically the countries were very similar)

[1] I remember a story my friend told me of how he was on the subway and a bunch of skinheads beat up an African college student. After they left, no one did anything to help the kid, and everyone just pretended like nothing happened. A good ol' "it's non of my business" attitude.

Re: Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

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post #3

I'd generalize this to (continental) Europeans, and it becomes more true the further East you go. Being in Poland, I notice the same thing. However, I did notice that New Yorkers are also closer to the "Russian" camp. Not totally (especially when it comes to retail), but closer...

Some years ago, whilst on holiday in the U.S.A., a smiling American summarized my experience for me:

In San Francisco they ask you 'how's it going, man!', in Chicago they shout 'WHAT?' and in New York they don't even talk to you.

So it is a sliding scale of friendliness, from West to East.

Re: Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

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post #11
post #9

There's really no need to be stingy with your smile. If you smile more often at work, even if there's nothing specific to be happy about, it really does lighten up the mood and make people cheerier. People will want to work with you more. Also, I hope I don't sound like a sociopath here, but smiles are a form of brain hacking. If they are genuine, or at least seem genuine, they disarm people and make them more recept…

Did you read the article? The whole thing is basically an argument for why your comment is culturally insensitive and myopic.

Yes. I'm responding to, "Russians need a reason to smile."

Russians can do whatever they like of course, but I'm discussing the possible benefits of the American model of smiling for no particular reason.

Re: Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

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post #9

There's really no need to be stingy with your smile. If you smile more often at work, even if there's nothing specific to be happy about, it really does lighten up the mood and make people cheerier. People will want to work with you more. Also, I hope I don't sound like a sociopath here, but smiles are a form of brain hacking. If they are genuine, or at least seem genuine, they disarm people and make them more recept…

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Re: Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

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As a Russian-American this comes off as complete BS. I've seen this written before and it's always in the form of "It's not us that smile too little, it's you Americans that are fake and smile too much!". For one, Americans don't just smile to be polite. For the most part it's genuinely conveying positive emotions. Now I know this is going to be unpopular, but I think the real reason Russians don't smile is cultural.…

I believe the roots of this mistrust between people in Russia and the whole Eastern Block can be found well explained in "The Gulag Archipelago" by Solzhenitsyn (http://www.amazon.com/Gulag-Archipelago-Aleksandr-Solzhenits...)

Re: Why Russians Are Not Smiling (2011)

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I worked with some Russians a few years ago. Great guys. One wasn't very well adapted to American culture. He came to my cube one day. He's like "Let's go get a smoke", but his face and tone was flat, so it came across as "You've pissed me off in some way and I'm probably going to kick your ass now". I demurred. A couple more offers over the next few days and I finally relented (I don't smoke, but went to hang out).…

>Why do Americans always have to act happy? It's so fake.

we'd like to believe it is fake. Otherwise what conclusion it would lead us to, incl. about ourselves? After more than decade here i started to come to that conclusion and sometimes i think i should have chosen the blue pill :)

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