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Chinese leaders control media, academics to shape the perception of China

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Re: Chinese leaders control media, academics to shape the perception of China

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Post by mintplant »

tokenizer wrote: post #6
pekk wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As usual, any post about China is accompanied by a post saying "the US is even worse". One would think that the only difference between China and the US is that the US is even worse.

Again, context is everything. You're missing the point entirely. OP's point was regarding the hypocrisy of one government, criticising another government, for extremely similar policies/goals/implementation. That said, I'm sure if we were in Russia, and an anti-US article was published, you'd see a few persons argue that it's nothing special as well, with "stop criticising my country" demagogues coming out of the woo…

This isn't "one government, criticizing another government", this is the Washington Post.

Re: Chinese leaders control media, academics to shape the perception of China

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Post by mintplant »

RRRA wrote: post #9
mjolk wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everything article has to talk about the United States. Stop being so xenocentric.

But ... It's coming from the Washington post?

The Washington Post isn't allowed to report on other countries without mentioning the U.S.?

Besides, as one of the major publishes of the NSA leaks, it can hardly be said that the Post never criticizes the government.

Re: Chinese leaders control media, academics to shape the perception of China

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Post by eliteraspberrie »

wahsd wrote: post #3

That post is rather tone-deaf about the same circumstances in the USA. Yes, China is a lot less refined and advanced about how it controls message and impression, but it's behind in many aspects, one of which is propaganda and state control. The USA is the reigning master of propaganda and image fostering; it is, essentially, even an official technique of our foreign and domestic policy. I can't stand people who blat…

Your comment is not only off topic, but a perfect example of whataboutism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Re: Chinese leaders control media, academics to shape the perception of China

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Post by PakG1 »

mintplant wrote: post #11
tokenizer wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, context is everything. You're missing the point entirely. OP's point was regarding the hypocrisy of one government, criticising another government, for extremely similar policies/goals/implementation. That said, I'm sure if we were in Russia, and an anti-US article was published, you'd see a few persons argue that it's nothing special as well, with "stop criticising my country" demagogues coming out of the woo…

This isn't "one government, criticizing another government", this is the Washington Post.

Compare and contrast Bloomberg's stance on investigations regarding another government: http://nypost.com/2013/11/15/bloomberg-boots-china-leak-scri...

Jeff Bezos made a point when he said he wanted the Washington Post to survive as an independent voice. Bloomberg is subject to its customers, which is increasingly in China, which they have decided makes certain stories off-limits.

Due to the generosity of Jeff Bezos[1], the Washington Post does not need to worry about being beholden to its customers like that, at least not for the short-term future. We'll see how it turns out in the long term over time. This is not saying that if it were not for Jeff Bezos, the Washington Post would do similar things, because it's not like they have a lot of readers in China anyway. Just saying that thanks to Bezos, the Washington Post does not need to be beholden to its customers for now.

[1] http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/jeff-bezos-on-post-pu...

Re: Chinese leaders control media, academics to shape the perception of China

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Post by pnathan »

eliteraspberrie wrote: post #13
wahsd wrote: post #3

That post is rather tone-deaf about the same circumstances in the USA. Yes, China is a lot less refined and advanced about how it controls message and impression, but it's behind in many aspects, one of which is propaganda and state control. The USA is the reigning master of propaganda and image fostering; it is, essentially, even an official technique of our foreign and domestic policy. I can't stand people who blat…

Your comment is not only off topic, but a perfect example of whataboutism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Agreed. It's really getting tiring. I've decided to systematically downvote (& occasionally) flag whataboutisms.

Re: Chinese leaders control media, academics to shape the perception of China

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Post by mhurron »

mintplant wrote: post #11
tokenizer wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, context is everything. You're missing the point entirely. OP's point was regarding the hypocrisy of one government, criticising another government, for extremely similar policies/goals/implementation. That said, I'm sure if we were in Russia, and an anti-US article was published, you'd see a few persons argue that it's nothing special as well, with "stop criticising my country" demagogues coming out of the woo…

This isn't "one government, criticizing another government", this is the Washington Post.

Ah but since their point was the US is even worse for the government controlling the media, what the Washington Post says is the Government saying it.

Of course this would make this simply government propaganda to stir up anti-Chinese feelings. But then that would mean that maybe the Chinese government isn't leading the media and therefore the US is worse at not controlling the media. Making this not one government criticizing another, but just the words of the Washington Post.

And I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.

Re: Chinese leaders control media, academics to shape the perception of China

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Post by tn13 »

Nothing surprising here either. Same thing happens in USA and everywhere else. The media plays to the tunes of whoever pays the most. In case of China no one else has actually bothered to pay the media to do the opposite. May be if India was not in the hell hole of self inflicted poverty and servitude they could have countered Chinese propoganda.

Even Google shows paid ads on the top of the search.

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