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Thanks for that link: it taught me something interesting. Photos that I attached to a Gmail message were stored in my (never signed up for or desired) Picassa account. That is fucking batshit insane.
What is the difference? All they are doing is giving you a different way of accessing them. It's the same bloody company! It's not like they've created and passed the photos on to someone else, they're just in a bucket with "picasa" written on it.
Ask HN: Google employees, why is G+ more important than your users?
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Re: Ask HN: Google employees, why is G+ more important than your users?
#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
What? It's the same sodding data, passed to the same company, how does merging two accounts that they already know are linked change anything? Also, you can search without logging in, and sign up for as many different email accounts as you want. Are you honestly saying that google asking you to make a G+ account is a serious problem for activists?
The accounts weren't "already linked". They shared some metadata. I was asked if I wanted to link them. I responded "no". Multiple times. Persisting when someone says "no" is at best, disrespect, at worst abuse and, in the right contexts, rape. Oh, did I mention I'd organized an ad-hoc anti-harassment policy discussion on G+ at the suggestion of Yonatan Zunger? Irony, it's got an enduring entertainment value. Oddly e…
Re: Ask HN: Google employees, why is G+ more important than your users?
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https://www.google.com/settings/dashboard may be what you're looking for.
WTF !? I see on the dashboard I now can "manage my devices", click on it and ... get something like "Authorize the manager to use geolocation data" with _only_ an accept button. I can't even say No ! This is way out of line. They lost it. It's not mismanagement, it's concious dark pattern all over the place. It rubs me the very wrong way.
Re: Ask HN: Google employees, why is G+ more important than your users?
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> How is a "Page" as a separate public identity treated > differently compared to a pseudonym? If I remember correctly there's some anti-spam restrictions on interaction with people not in your circles, but that was a few months ago and they may have been lifted. The current documentation[1][2] doesn't mention any restrictions. [1] https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2848323 [2] https://support.google.com/plus/…
But it is impossible to create a page if you already linked your Youtube account with a Google+ profile. I did so because I just did not understood what that page was all about. There is no way back. At least I could not find a way.
Re: Ask HN: Google employees, why is G+ more important than your users?
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This option is not available for me. I can't disconnect my Youtube account without deleting Google+. I also found no way to create a pseudonymous page for my Youtube Account. And I've found no way to delete my Youtube account. After searching and looking around in the user forums for some time I've gave up.
Does this link not work for you: http://www.youtube.com/account_revert For me this link appears under the general account settings on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/account This is what my account settings page looks like: http://i.imgur.com/NrEnfyY.png I changed from my real name to somenamefortestingpurposes, and seem to be able to change this to anything else. I've also tested posting comments with this, and they…
What works for Youtube is to create another channel and use that channel and the created page to post comments via pseudonym. I can switch between my original Google Account and the newly created channel. I don't have an option for my primary account through. For this does not matter but if you had personal data in your old Youtube account there is no easy way to hide this information without loosing Google+ as far I understood that problem now.
Re: Ask HN: Google employees, why is G+ more important than your users?
#216I scrolled through all the comments and at least in the first line I didn't see this yet, so I add it to this thread: Why does piss of it's users? (doesn't need to be the big G)
A) Mostly people are using services that they don't pay for. But the service must be awesome. This kind of user is not so attractive to competitive, profitable companies. They don't add much but they cost much time, trouble, energy, money. If these users go away no company really bothers, even if these are 90% of the users. (keep in mind, I'm one of these troublesome users)
B.) Users that actually pay might not be unhappy with the results. E.g. a company that buys advertisement space from google will not mind if Google processes the user information more efficiently. Also a Google business account owner will not mind that his employees can't watch Youtube videos from his account that would be shameful to show publicly. Therefore I think the bigger part of the interesting cutomers might actually approve of the current changes.
C) Most users have not much power. They can basically choose between service A and service B but often both services exploit their users the same way (see G+ and FB). So even if they are annoyed as hell they might not even go away.
Now I'm really one of the people who is unhappy with Google as it is, but I think there are some very good reasons for them to do it.
Re: Ask HN: Google employees, why is G+ more important than your users?
#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
But it is impossible to create a page if you already linked your Youtube account with a Google+ profile. I did so because I just did not understood what that page was all about. There is no way back. At least I could not find a way.
Go to https://plus.google.com/u/0/dashboard and click "Create a page"
Youtube also defaults to my real identity if I visit the viste. If have to manually switch identities.
Edit found the explanation: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2657858?hl=en&ref_...
Re: Ask HN: Google employees, why is G+ more important than your users?
#218The vast majority of Googlers do not approve of G+ policies. However, Google has never been run democratically and most of the time that's probably a good thing.
Furthermore, the management has been much less forthcoming than usual about the thinking behind these policies. What they have said varies and usually sounds like excuses.
In short, don't expect actual information in this thread.
Re: Ask HN: Google employees, why is G+ more important than your users?
#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
Does this link not work for you: http://www.youtube.com/account_revert For me this link appears under the general account settings on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/account This is what my account settings page looks like: http://i.imgur.com/NrEnfyY.png I changed from my real name to somenamefortestingpurposes, and seem to be able to change this to anything else. I've also tested posting comments with this, and they…
Funny. Your first link returns http://www.youtube.com/oops and I don't have these options under general account settings: http://i.imgur.com/yOny4pC.png What works for Youtube is to create another channel and use that channel and the created page to post comments via pseudonym. I can switch between my original Google Account and the newly created channel. I don't have an option for my primary account through. For thi…
Re: Ask HN: Google employees, why is G+ more important than your users?
#220I have no idea what the official party line is... but doesn't it make at least a little bit of sense to unify two social networks owned by the same company? One thought about real names: what does your contacts database look like on your phone? While I know a lot of people by their online handles, I also know their real name, and I typically choose to enter that real name into my phone. Maybe this is uncommon, but if…
I don't "want" a unique identifier; I don't mind having one, but I don't care having many. I already have different identifiers for different services owned by different companies, so why should I care that just because Youtube and Gmail happen to be owned by Google, it's an absolute necessity that I have the same identifier on both services? I don't care and don't even need to know that Google search, Gmail and Yout…