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Re: Ask HN: How do you back up your data?

#51
I don't have offsite backups yet (but read on). Currently, I auto-backup daily at 4am, my entire fedora desktop using rsyncbtrfs https://github.com/oxplot/rsyncbtrfs which does an incremental backup on btrfs using subvolumes. I have everyday backup for last 4 years and I can access any version of any file at any time with no preparation (ie just cd into the appropriate directory for that day).

I have also written https://github.com/oxplot/cloudnbd for offsite backup. It presents any cloud storage (via pluggable backends) as linux block device which you can format to FS of your choosing. You can then mount it, RAID it, etc. and do crazy stuff with it. I don't use it yet because it's not well polished (and I'm lazy) but that's my ultimate weapon. It encrypts everything on the client side too so that should make NSA's job a tad harder.

Re: Ask HN: How do you back up your data?

#54

I've got a Synology DS213j [1] with two WD Red 2TB [2] drives in RAID-1. All machines in my house run some sort of Linux, thus they are encrypted and backed up daily with Deja-Dup (which is just a front-end to duplicity [3]). The Synology has netatalk configured out of the box so it can be seen in the network as an AFP share and can be used as a destination for TimeMachine backups (I'm not using it in that way but a…

Another vote for Synology NAS. I have the same device in the same configuration. I love it lots, and have ended up using it for far more than just backups.

My previous setup was two large USB drives, and doing everything manually (when I remembered and/or could be bothered to), but I almost lost data this way.

Re: Ask HN: How do you back up your data?

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Yes. I use them; the other bad thing you might read about is that to download encrypted stuff, you need to enter your password on their server.

So I'm curious then, given those flaws, why still use Backblaze as it doesn't seem to be a true cloud backup? Would feel more like a cloud Time Machine

Disclaimer: I'm a Backblaze employee. Backblaze tends to be extremely simple to use. After installation, you enter your email address and a password (on the client side) and you are now CORRECTLY configured. By default, Backblaze backs up any and all files on your computer. You don't have to pick and choose folders, write a script, setup a second computer at your Mom's house, nothing. There are only 3 billing options: $5/month (utterly unthrottled and no size limits), or if you pay for 1 year up front it is $50, pay for two years it is $95.

Simple and "just works" makes some customers happy, but Backblaze isn't perfect for everybody. If you like playing with your backups, scripting them, configuring machines, excluding folders - Backblaze will drive you crazy as you fight to control it. For example, if you add a new folder of images to your computer, Backblaze will push them to our datacenter unless you EXPLICITLY exclude that folder. Some customers would like an option that all new folders ARE NOT backed up until they "add" them to the backup. Backblaze must be thought of as a complete solution - if it doesn't fit your needs, we can highly recommend other more scriptable products to you.

There is no shame that we only fit the needs of a subset of customers, our biggest challenge is communicating what we do and do not do clearly so we don't waste your time.

The original question was "with these flaws why use Backblaze?" The answer is, only customers who view these "flaws" as good things should use Backblaze. For example, your files are encrypted at Backblaze and we absolutely don't store your password. But by default, you can "recover" your password with access to your email address. You can enable a higher level of security on Backblaze where you can NEVER recover your password and if you forget your password, you are screwed. This is NOT the best option if your Mom is using Backblaze to backup her cat pictures. Friendly and easy is a BETTER solution for some people. But if you are really, really concerned about security, look into Backblaze's "private encryption key" option.

Re: Ask HN: How do you back up your data?

#56

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No, it'll back up to other computers with a Crashplan account. I don't want to depend on third parties who may or may not be around, I want to give a drive to a friend and say: Plug this in.

Dunno what to tell you. Perhaps rsync and a dynamic dns approach would be good? IF you want the machines to find each other even through IP changes you need somewhat of them rediscovering each other. Back up should be a multitiered thing so you don't mind if one goes kaput. That way you can use a 3rd party without 'depending' on them.

I think we're talking sneakernet here...

Re: Ask HN: How do you back up your data?

#57
Dropbox for non-media stuff, I back up everything occasionally on a USB hard drive with rsync. I guess it's not a big deal to me because aside from my work which is in dropbox and git, I don't have anything I couldn't replace.

Re: Ask HN: How do you back up your data?

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every time I have to grab the hard disk to browse my family photos and videos That is not a backup, that's an external storage. A backup should only be accessed to sync data (preferably with versioning, so the old data is not overwritten) and to recover lost data. My computers are synchronized with a home server that has mirrored disks, then the home server is backed up to cloud and to my parent's desktop (off-site b…

CrashPlan is excellent. You can get a "family plan" for ~$12 a month, backup as many files you want on a bunch of computers. No file space limit, no bandwidth throttling. Online access to files, including from native mobile apps.

Re: Ask HN: How do you back up your data?

#59

I've got a Synology DS213j [1] with two WD Red 2TB [2] drives in RAID-1. All machines in my house run some sort of Linux, thus they are encrypted and backed up daily with Deja-Dup (which is just a front-end to duplicity [3]). The Synology has netatalk configured out of the box so it can be seen in the network as an AFP share and can be used as a destination for TimeMachine backups (I'm not using it in that way but a…

Another vote for Synology here. Have been using them for a good 6 years now. I think I might have had one of the first DSM setups.

Just solid NAS products.

Upgraded recently to the DS213 and the WD RED 3TB disks in RAID-1. Running all sorts of services from SMB, AFP, UPNP, Surveillance, Backups, Etc. Performs flawlessly. Incredibly fast, DSM is an elegant UI (and powerful) and just couldn't be happier for all my wireless/wired client.

I backup the Synology once a month to a standalone 3TB disk via eSATA for even more redundancy.

Re: Ask HN: How do you back up your data?

#60
Locally I have a RAID 1 and backup everything to Crashplan. I use Crashplan with family and friends, I plan on subscribing to backup to their servers for extra protection. I also use Wuala / Google drive for photo sharing.

Never rely on hard disk. They will break. Don't rely on home solutions, you'll lose everything in case of fire, flood, lightning strikes, robbery, ...

Any home base solution has a single point of failure, it's location. So any solution with offsite backup will be better.

My suggestions :

- Buy a 2 disks NAS (Synology, Qnap, Lacie or similar), you can have 8TB on some of them. Want extra safety? Go with a 4 bay NAS in RAID10.

- Get a Crashplan yearly plan.

- Subscribe to unlimited bandwidth with your internet provider.

Any other online file sharing service will do the job but Crashplan is built for that and the price is fair.

And whatever solution you choose, the most important thing is, TEST IT. Do a simple recovery test once in a while. Setup alerts or reminder to look at your backup.

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