The YouTube/Google+ integration would have been much smoother if it started by giving every existing user a G+ "Page" identity matching their YouTube name, and making that page their default YouTube identity. From the user's perspective there would be no risk of accidentally connecting their legal name to YouTube, and Google would have achieved their goal of a unified login system.
Dear Googles: G+/YouTube Anschluss – you've done outed me
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Re: Dear Googles: G+/YouTube Anschluss – you've done outed me
#52I think anonymity on the internet is a great thing. It's a place where you can socialize and share ideas with strangers without having to give them your name/address/home phone #. You can even start honest, more controversial discussions and do some high-level reasoning that you couldn't necessarily achieve with close friends. If Google won't allow that on their services anymore, I pray everyone leaves them & moves t…
I don't think everyone has to leave Google for you to have productive anonymous discussions. For what it's worth, I think reputations (under anonymous usenames) are A very important component in having accountability and quality in discussions.
Re: Dear Googles: G+/YouTube Anschluss – you've done outed me
#53It was about two years ago I closed my G+ account because of that https://jeena.net/gplus and I just had a look at my G+ account (which I closed) and there are posts that I have been using hangouts and some YouTube comment too. So I assume it is not possible to really close a G+ account.
Re: Dear Googles: G+/YouTube Anschluss – you've done outed me
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google to Pay $8.5 Million in Buzz Privacy Class Action Settlement http://searchenginewatch.com/article/2050437/Google-to-Pay-8...
8.5 million is just a rounding error for Google.
Well, the canary you put in a coal mine isn't very expensive either, but it ought to tell you something...
Re: Dear Googles: G+/YouTube Anschluss – you've done outed me
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is that anonymity leading to great conversation is disproved by reality. This move, though short sighted and ill advised, is precisely to combat the cluster fuck that is YouTube comments powered by anonymity. I'm not sure what the solution is, but one look at the quality of anonymous unmodderated comments calls for one.
Personally I think the problem is the concept of comments in the first place. You see, way back in the day, if you wanted to respond to a post or whatever on the web you went to your own website and posted a response and linked to the source you were responding to. Comments sections on websites are data islands; comments and conversations held captive in walled gardens. Youtube is the biggest irony of all as it has t…
There are no more video responses on YouTube:
http://youtubecreator.blogspot.ru/2013/08/so-long-video-resp...
Re: Dear Googles: G+/YouTube Anschluss – you've done outed me
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is that anonymity leading to great conversation is disproved by reality. This move, though short sighted and ill advised, is precisely to combat the cluster fuck that is YouTube comments powered by anonymity. I'm not sure what the solution is, but one look at the quality of anonymous unmodderated comments calls for one.
You're missing 50% of the picture here. Anonymous, unmoderated discussion in an uneducated crowd is the worst of both worlds. Obviously . But anonymous, moderated discussion in a forum of disciplined and/or informed, educated users is better than the same discussion in a forum where all the identities of the participants are known, precisely for the reasons fat0wl outlined. You can look to any of the heavily moderate…
I think they are aware of everything, they just don't care: those that make the decisions that affect the "peasants" won't take their own dogfood.
Suggested readings the texts about the "feudal internet" from Bruce Schneier.
Re: Dear Googles: G+/YouTube Anschluss – you've done outed me
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is that anonymity leading to great conversation is disproved by reality. This move, though short sighted and ill advised, is precisely to combat the cluster fuck that is YouTube comments powered by anonymity. I'm not sure what the solution is, but one look at the quality of anonymous unmodderated comments calls for one.
Personally I think the problem is the concept of comments in the first place. You see, way back in the day, if you wanted to respond to a post or whatever on the web you went to your own website and posted a response and linked to the source you were responding to. Comments sections on websites are data islands; comments and conversations held captive in walled gardens. Youtube is the biggest irony of all as it has t…
Sometimes you would just email the author.
Re: Dear Googles: G+/YouTube Anschluss – you've done outed me
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is that anonymity leading to great conversation is disproved by reality. This move, though short sighted and ill advised, is precisely to combat the cluster fuck that is YouTube comments powered by anonymity. I'm not sure what the solution is, but one look at the quality of anonymous unmodderated comments calls for one.
If anything, at best this has left the comment quality unchanged. Now you have people bombarding sections with ASCII art tanks, memes and protests against the G+ revamp. Personally I don't think YT comments, for all their vulgarity and chaos, required any "solution". They were cesspools, but ultimately cesspools of humanity. There is absolutely no reason one couldn't ignore them if they found them so distressing.
yea they were fun to look at if you were looking for a possible laugh but really -- what do you expect from a single public chronological thread on a (possibly dumb to begin with) video viewed by millions?
if they were so desperate to give it value why not just make it display based on some algorithm (top comments or some hacker news-ish setup). they approached it in a completely uninspired way. Violating everyones privacy is not some dream solution. it seems more like "Plan D"....
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Women tend not to have penises.
I am sure you were joking, but to clarify and expand: Why do men seek contact with the opposite sex more frequently than women? Why do they tend to do so in a way that seems to bother the woman in question? Why are women not doing the same to men?
...seriously? well, because women and men experience life very differently. being a woman is a lot more dangerous - you are simply too weak to defend yourself against most guys. so, you have to trust that they will treat you fairly before sleeping with them or starting a relationship, and if you're wrong, the consequences are terrible. men simply don't have to worry about consequences this severe - as a guy picking up girls, you never have to wonder if they will rape or abuse you.
remember that rape is still exceedingly common (1 in 3 women in the USA will be sexually abused at some point). women are just as sexual as guys, it's just much more dangerous (and socially unacceptable - slut-shaming, etc) for them to solicit sex. as for why anonymous dudes on the internet are so creepy, it's most likely a combination of the disinhibition anonymity gives you and the sexual deviance a boner gives you.
Re: Dear Googles: G+/YouTube Anschluss – you've done outed me
#60I think anonymity on the internet is a great thing. It's a place where you can socialize and share ideas with strangers without having to give them your name/address/home phone #. You can even start honest, more controversial discussions and do some high-level reasoning that you couldn't necessarily achieve with close friends. If Google won't allow that on their services anymore, I pray everyone leaves them & moves t…
I don't think everyone has to leave Google for you to have productive anonymous discussions. For what it's worth, I think reputations (under anonymous usenames) are A very important component in having accountability and quality in discussions.
yes totally down with username reputation IF one chooses that path... i like HN setup for example, may not stick around on a site where there are totally anon comments. But that said, if people want it it should exist.
The reason I say leave Google is simply because if we don't support platforms that work along the lines we want them to, they may not exist. People despise Facebook's policies, yet they stay on it because "there's no other choice". So my point was that we kindof just need to nut up & stop using platforms that we feel don't respect our wishes. If I had some videos to post I'd prob put them on Vimeo. With video posting, it's not really an all-or-nothing situation like Facebook. It's a technical need, not a social network.