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Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by trevelyan »

dandelany wrote: post #88
trevelyan wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It negatively affects my view of Stratfor that they are not PCI compliant and have this sort of credit card information just lying around in emails. That is pretty grossly irresponsible.

Agreed. It affected my view negatively enough that I am no longer a subscriber. But somehow dumping all the credit cards on the Internet seems even more grossly irresponsible to me.

The point is that it is a data dump of emails and there is no reasonable reason for anyone to believe there is credit card information in there. I'm not sure why anyone should expect Wikileaks to scour the materials for this sort of thing. They only seem to redact in life-and-death sort of situations.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by patrickg_zill »

dandelany wrote: post #64
brymaster wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These "people" are looking to profit from misery ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6742844 ). Wikileaks is attempting to provide transparency in a world where that doesn't much exist so boo-fucking-hoo if somebody's Mastercard gets leaked in the process. Mass dumps aren't adding any more "ammunition" for their detractors than some sort of filtered dump would. Detractors don't need much of a reason to dislike wha…

You know who else profits from misery? Doctors, and funeral home owners. Pretty much anyone in the media. I certainly hope my doctor isn't making terrible jokes about how much money he's going to make from my disease, but even if he was, it wouldn't be illegal nor would I find it a justifiable reason to leak his personal information (let alone his clients' information!). You also assume everyone is already split into…

When doctors start joking about giving out .22LR zip guns to inner city 17 year old drug addicts, and funeral home directors start encouraging people to drink poisoned water , maybe then your parallel will ring true ...

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by legutierr »

pekk wrote: post #108
legutierr wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"War is essentially an evil thing. Its consequences are not confined to the belligerent states alone but affect the whole world. "To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from the other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole."

Does Stratfor have the capability of initiating wars?

I think this quote is worth thinking about, which is why I put it here. A bit of a non sequitur, perhaps.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by Unfor1932 »

joshfraser wrote: post #46

It's a weird feeling reading other people's email. I'm sad to see Wikileaks didn't at least do a quick regex pass to remove the credit cards (yup, found some) and the personal love notes. I'm generally a supporter of Wikileaks, but mass dumps like this aren't responsible and only give more ammunition to their detractors.

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Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by frank_boyd »

joshfraser wrote: post #46

It's a weird feeling reading other people's email. I'm sad to see Wikileaks didn't at least do a quick regex pass to remove the credit cards (yup, found some) and the personal love notes. I'm generally a supporter of Wikileaks, but mass dumps like this aren't responsible and only give more ammunition to their detractors.

Sorry man, priorities - you got them wrong. Who cares about a few credit card numbers or "personal love notes" when we find ourselves living in corrupt "democracies" that are about to crumble pretty much all over the Western world.

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Post by grey-area »

joshfraser wrote: post #46

It's a weird feeling reading other people's email. I'm sad to see Wikileaks didn't at least do a quick regex pass to remove the credit cards (yup, found some) and the personal love notes. I'm generally a supporter of Wikileaks, but mass dumps like this aren't responsible and only give more ammunition to their detractors.

Why would people email credit card details?

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by mehwoot »

frank_boyd wrote: post #135
joshfraser wrote: post #46

It's a weird feeling reading other people's email. I'm sad to see Wikileaks didn't at least do a quick regex pass to remove the credit cards (yup, found some) and the personal love notes. I'm generally a supporter of Wikileaks, but mass dumps like this aren't responsible and only give more ammunition to their detractors.

Sorry man, priorities - you got them wrong. Who cares about a few credit card numbers or "personal love notes" when we find ourselves living in corrupt "democracies" that are about to crumble pretty much all over the Western world.

Is it wrong when the NSA reads your email under certain conditions but who cares when it's released to everybody?

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by jonnybgood »

refurb wrote: post #109
ak217 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See post by kid0m4n below. It's the worst kind of evil: warmongering. I had a much better opinion of Stratfor until now. They were plotting how to best sell misinformation. Misinformation that could start a war in which millions could die. They thought they could get away with this shit.

That's not how I read that email. I read that as a joke, kinda like a bunch of doctors talking about a disease epidemic and joking that it'll help put their kids through college.

Good point. We don't know the context of these emails. Are they being serious? Are they joking? Are we to assume every email in the 500k is to be taken seriously?

I'm sure many HNers have sent joking emails concerning their work to fellow coworkers. It happens in almost every office. I'm not saying that's the case here, but you never know.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by petercooper »

grecy wrote: post #129
dandelany wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by "these kinds of people"? Greedy people? People who say things that are tasteless and mean? I'm pretty sure there's no law against any of that. Please enlighten me re: the law they've broken, otherwise I hope you can see the inherent irony in your statement... edit: I'm not being ornery, I'm really actually curious what people think they should go to prison for. Tastelessness != criminality.

Profiting from the deaths of others is morally wrong, and it should be illegal. Judging by the number of up votes my parent comment has, there are lots of people that agree. > I'm pretty sure there's no law against any of that. You're right, there is no law against it, yet . There also didn't used to be laws against a ton of morally wrong things, but at some point, enough people thought it was wrong and a law was mad…

Profiting from the deaths of others is morally wrong, and it should be illegal.

The media makes a lot of money from bad news, especially death. Perhaps only the state should run news organizations?

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by saraid216 »

iamshs wrote: post #23
kid0m4n wrote: post #11

Oh, this is so classy: https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/?viewemailid=8402 Quote: Oh, they have enough weapons. Now the serious game begins as Reva pointed out. The investigation of the attack is not interesting. I suspect the findings have already been reached before the first investigator got to work. Now the question is how India responds. God willing, the Indian response will make us a lot of money. This after…

Holy damn. Here is one interview of her (Reva Bhalla): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc1gJOPCipY And at the end she is linking the attack to Al Qaeda. I think this is why they are giving her kudos, for planting the seed. This is nefarious on so many levels. This means India directly comes under pressure to respond back to Pakistan, and then respond to allegations that Al Qaeda is expanding in India. It is ironic th…

> Why does education/intelligence/morality not cull the inner devil of some?

This is honestly a far more complicated question than other commentors appear to be capable of engaging with.

Educational systems worldwide are constructed with the idiotic hope of job fulfillment. There are noises about a liberal arts education, but these are the first things cut when budgets are on the line. Educational systems, thusly, do nothing to help guide moral compasses: indeed, they do a lot to break them down.

Intelligence, on the other hand, very naturally cuts both ways. The capacity to reason is also the capacity to rationalize. These are people trained to vote with their wallet, because their wallet is the only meaningful measure of value they have. Short of coincidence, they have no particular reason to believe that this is untrue.

Morality, though, isn't innate. The purpose of philosophy--one of those casualties of an industrial-catered educational system--is to actually tackle the construction of a moral system and tinker with practical applications of it. It was never a widespread practice to engage in understanding how morals are made, even if you contribute no new thought, but we've done nothing to spread it wider.

We end up leaving it to genetic lottery and your local tradition of faith. When most people's "inner devil" is culled only by the least possible amount of thought, how do you expect it to be culled at all?

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