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A living death: Sentenced to die behind bars for what?

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Re: A living death: Sentenced to die behind bars for what?

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It's a crying shame. Normally that's an empty phrase, but it describes this. I can't imagine reading this and not feeling tears well up. No sense of what I would call humanity. From what perspective does this make the world a better place? What am I missing about being human that this fits into that I don't understand?

Does anybody else constantly live in a state of guilt? So many lives lost and wars fought just to get us to where we are, and we reap the benefits. I feel so guilty for having a good paying job in the city. I'm not adding any value to the world, none at all. I tinker with a few codes every day and make silly amounts of money, when there's people struggling to put food on the table working 18 hour days. I need to do s…

There is hope. Software is the key to addressing a great deal of injustice in the world. I believe that software programmers who want to make a difference can do so by collaborating on open source projects intended for use by government at every level.

Consider: if we can write the software that cities, states, and even the federal government uses to do it's job, then we can also have a material impact on transparency, usability, etc for the users.

Take the judicial system. It is badly underfunded, especially in California, which has the largest civil court system in the Western world. What if an enterprising group of civic minded programmers simply wrote awesome, free, open software to run a state courtroom, complete with a self-help web interface?

Such a project would not necessarily be fun. But it would be useful, and it would arguably contribute greatly to society.

Re: A living death: Sentenced to die behind bars for what?

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What is it about Norwegians that's different from this "large underclass"? Just come out and say it.

I don't think he likes black people or Hispanics. To be fair... that makes him no different than a lot of Americans. Though he may be in the minority here on HN.

I see the noun "underclass" here more as a factual description. Blacks and latinos are (especially in NYC!) treated like 3rd-class citizens, and they're far more likely to end up in jail for stuff a white person would just get a slap on the wrist.

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Yeah, the decline in murder counts, for example.

http://i.imgur.com/S5QjFxC.png Does anyone know of any research showing that the decline in murder counts is primarily due to harsher penalties?

A lot of people attribute it to Roe v Wade[1]. Less unwanted babies growing up in environments that lead to a life of crime.

[1] see Freakonomics

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you are defending this insanity? did you read the link?

I won't specifically defend life sentences for non-violent crimes, but I would defend very harsh sentences for repeat offenses. The profiled people demonstrate terribly poor self restraint and judgment. I strongly suspect they were ongoing severe burdens on their communities in many unmentioned ways.

Life in jail for poor restrain and judgement? Are you trying to be funny?

Should you get life for your post, which shows poor judgement and no ability to restrain it?

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It's a crying shame. Normally that's an empty phrase, but it describes this. I can't imagine reading this and not feeling tears well up. No sense of what I would call humanity. From what perspective does this make the world a better place? What am I missing about being human that this fits into that I don't understand?

If you hate this and want to do something for them, there is the option of petitioning for political pardons for them.

After all, even if three-strikes is reformed, that almost certainly wouldn't be reapplied retroactively.

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My thoughts on the best and the worst: > Anthony Jackson has a sixth-grade education and worked as a cook. He was convicted of burglary for stealing a wallet from a Myrtle Beach hotel room when he was 44 years old. According to prosecutors, he woke two vacationing golfers as he entered the room and stole a wallet, then pretended to be a security guard and ran away. Police arrested him when he tried to use the stolen…

Theft is a bad thing but hardly deserving of a life sentence, even with a history of burglary. The economic cost of this crime is at most a few thousand $, probably much less. The economic cost of incarcerating the guy for 30-40 years is going to be a few million.

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Does anybody else constantly live in a state of guilt? So many lives lost and wars fought just to get us to where we are, and we reap the benefits. I feel so guilty for having a good paying job in the city. I'm not adding any value to the world, none at all. I tinker with a few codes every day and make silly amounts of money, when there's people struggling to put food on the table working 18 hour days. I need to do s…

You are a waste of space. But committing suicide is so boring—I don’t recommend it. You are going to have to figure out the point you want your life to have. So quit complaining on the internet about your privileged guilt, save your silly amounts of money for a while, then spend it executing your vision. The best any of us can hope to do is to mean something to somebody.

Edit. [disagreement was expressed re: suicide]

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A throwaway thought: one of the (many) problems with 3-strike sentencing laws may be that the escalation curve is too quick to have the desired curbing effect. It is obvious (to me) that some kind of exponentiation would be more effective. 2x - 3x elongation per offense would be plenty harsh, harsh enough for the offender to understand it's going to be much worse each time, without it having to be life in prison. EDI…

Is it really hard to make a decision on sentencing in nonviolent crimes that you wouldn't personally lock someone in a box for? If they're not a danger to society, they do not belong in a box.

breaking and entering seems like something people should probably go to jail for. That's what several of these were.

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I have no words. None. At all.

I'm going to be honest and say that in general I am anything but a compassion. I have every bit of sympathy, however, for (relatively) innocent people being victims of things like bureaucracy, human stupidity, laziness, or sheer scumfuckery. It's hard for me to imagine what was going on in those judges' heads, but chances are it's something I despise.

This one was the worst for me:

> When he was 22-years-old, Lance Saltzman was charged with breaking into his own home and taking his stepfather’s gun, which his stepfather had shot at his mother and repeatedly used to threaten her. He was convicted of armed burglary and sentenced to prison for the rest of his life.

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Is it really hard to make a decision on sentencing in nonviolent crimes that you wouldn't personally lock someone in a box for? If they're not a danger to society, they do not belong in a box.

breaking and entering seems like something people should probably go to jail for. That's what several of these were.

There's a huge difference between 'going to jail' and life in prison.
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