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Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by dandelany »

loceng wrote: post #56
dandelany wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by "these kinds of people"? Greedy people? People who say things that are tasteless and mean? I'm pretty sure there's no law against any of that. Please enlighten me re: the law they've broken, otherwise I hope you can see the inherent irony in your statement... edit: I'm not being ornery, I'm really actually curious what people think they should go to prison for. Tastelessness != criminality.

Laws are made up by humans - we could create laws that disallow this kind of behaviour, it's a bit surprising that it's not, no? Oh wait, the for-profit military-industrial complex lobbies politicians who are pro-war ...

Again, what kind of behavior are you talking about? Are you seriously suggesting we pass laws prohibiting saying things that you find objectionable, tasteless or greedy? In a thread defending a whistleblower's free speech?

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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dandelany wrote: post #40
grecy wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These kinds of people need to be in prison, not the people exposing what they're doing.

What do you mean by "these kinds of people"? Greedy people? People who say things that are tasteless and mean? I'm pretty sure there's no law against any of that. Please enlighten me re: the law they've broken, otherwise I hope you can see the inherent irony in your statement... edit: I'm not being ornery, I'm really actually curious what people think they should go to prison for. Tastelessness != criminality.

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Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by throwaway9848 »

brymaster wrote: post #51
joshfraser wrote: post #46

It's a weird feeling reading other people's email. I'm sad to see Wikileaks didn't at least do a quick regex pass to remove the credit cards (yup, found some) and the personal love notes. I'm generally a supporter of Wikileaks, but mass dumps like this aren't responsible and only give more ammunition to their detractors.

These "people" are looking to profit from misery ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6742844 ). Wikileaks is attempting to provide transparency in a world where that doesn't much exist so boo-fucking-hoo if somebody's Mastercard gets leaked in the process. Mass dumps aren't adding any more "ammunition" for their detractors than some sort of filtered dump would. Detractors don't need much of a reason to dislike wha…

None of that matters. They can read what they're posting and filter out personal information. Who cares what the detractors think, it's the right thing to do.

"Two wrongs don't make a right"

EDIT: people understand that Stratfor is a small publishing company, right? They sell subscriptions to a security-focused newsletter of debatable influence. They have no operational capability.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by dandelany »

brymaster wrote: post #51
joshfraser wrote: post #46

It's a weird feeling reading other people's email. I'm sad to see Wikileaks didn't at least do a quick regex pass to remove the credit cards (yup, found some) and the personal love notes. I'm generally a supporter of Wikileaks, but mass dumps like this aren't responsible and only give more ammunition to their detractors.

These "people" are looking to profit from misery ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6742844 ). Wikileaks is attempting to provide transparency in a world where that doesn't much exist so boo-fucking-hoo if somebody's Mastercard gets leaked in the process. Mass dumps aren't adding any more "ammunition" for their detractors than some sort of filtered dump would. Detractors don't need much of a reason to dislike wha…

You know who else profits from misery? Doctors, and funeral home owners. Pretty much anyone in the media. I certainly hope my doctor isn't making terrible jokes about how much money he's going to make from my disease, but even if he was, it wouldn't be illegal nor would I find it a justifiable reason to leak his personal information (let alone his clients' information!).

You also assume everyone is already split into either the pro-Wikileaks camp or their detractors. As someone who has mixed feelings about Wikileaks, this definitely affected my view of them negatively. (Full disclosure - my card was among those leaked. But even if it hadn't been, if I had just been someone who knew about Stratfor rather than a subscriber, this would have put Wikileaks in a bad light for me).

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by dandelany »

olefoo wrote: post #60
dandelany wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by "these kinds of people"? Greedy people? People who say things that are tasteless and mean? I'm pretty sure there's no law against any of that. Please enlighten me re: the law they've broken, otherwise I hope you can see the inherent irony in your statement... edit: I'm not being ornery, I'm really actually curious what people think they should go to prison for. Tastelessness != criminality.

If they are actually engaged in selling weapons; well, arms trafficking is generally a crime unless you are very close to your government and very up to date on the paperwork. And even then most people would consider it a "moral crime", to profit from the misery of war.

Spoiler alert: they aren't. The weapons they talk about supplying are "a net and trident" for India and "the shield and short sword" for Pakistan. Seems pretty obvious that's a dumb joke. The closest they get to the illegal arms trade is reporting on it, eg. http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/global-arms-markets-seen-thro...

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by brymaster »

throwaway9848 wrote: post #63
brymaster wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These "people" are looking to profit from misery ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6742844 ). Wikileaks is attempting to provide transparency in a world where that doesn't much exist so boo-fucking-hoo if somebody's Mastercard gets leaked in the process. Mass dumps aren't adding any more "ammunition" for their detractors than some sort of filtered dump would. Detractors don't need much of a reason to dislike wha…

None of that matters. They can read what they're posting and filter out personal information. Who cares what the detractors think, it's the right thing to do. "Two wrongs don't make a right" EDIT: people understand that Stratfor is a small publishing company, right? They sell subscriptions to a security-focused newsletter of debatable influence. They have no operational capability.

Yes it does matter. The right thing to do is transparency and that's what's happening here. If Bad Person & Associates are doing evil, they're not going to get a break just because their messages also contain personal love letters.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by sliverstorm »

brymaster wrote: post #66
throwaway9848 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of that matters. They can read what they're posting and filter out personal information. Who cares what the detractors think, it's the right thing to do. "Two wrongs don't make a right" EDIT: people understand that Stratfor is a small publishing company, right? They sell subscriptions to a security-focused newsletter of debatable influence. They have no operational capability.

Yes it does matter. The right thing to do is transparency and that's what's happening here. If Bad Person & Associates are doing evil, they're not going to get a break just because their messages also contain personal love letters.

What great evil, exactly, has been done?

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by ahomescu1 »

iamshs wrote: post #23
kid0m4n wrote: post #11

Oh, this is so classy: https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/?viewemailid=8402 Quote: Oh, they have enough weapons. Now the serious game begins as Reva pointed out. The investigation of the attack is not interesting. I suspect the findings have already been reached before the first investigator got to work. Now the question is how India responds. God willing, the Indian response will make us a lot of money. This after…

Holy damn. Here is one interview of her (Reva Bhalla): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc1gJOPCipY And at the end she is linking the attack to Al Qaeda. I think this is why they are giving her kudos, for planting the seed. This is nefarious on so many levels. This means India directly comes under pressure to respond back to Pakistan, and then respond to allegations that Al Qaeda is expanding in India. It is ironic th…

> Why does education/intelligence/morality not cull the inner devil of some?

Neither ignorance nor stupidity cause people to act this way.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by eruditely »

monsterix wrote: post #50
dandelany wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by "these kinds of people"? Greedy people? People who say things that are tasteless and mean? I'm pretty sure there's no law against any of that. Please enlighten me re: the law they've broken, otherwise I hope you can see the inherent irony in your statement... edit: I'm not being ornery, I'm really actually curious what people think they should go to prison for. Tastelessness != criminality.

> I'm pretty sure there's no law against any of that. Agreed. Unfortunately there is no recourse until a power center rises elsewhere. They say written history would have been very different in case Germany had won their war.

No I don't really think it would be. I doubt it would have been in recent history after Germans won either, and even if it did dynasties fall. "History is written by the victors" denies the fact that even the victors have their doubts, internal doubts, and some after reflection regret.
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