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Coin: A step in the wrong direction

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Re: Coin: A step in the wrong direction

#41

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Yea but my credit card doesn't have a wireless radio built into it

As far as I can tell, the BLE radio in Coin is only used for detecting location, and doesn't expose any card details in any form.

Yea but it's still a wireless radio. Who knows what sort of exploit some malicious and clever person could come up with.

Re: Coin: A step in the wrong direction

#42
post #17

For everyone who is poo-pooing Coin because it's not a digital wallet, please answer this question: How long from now will most merchants that accept credit cards also start accepting an e-wallet of some sort? I honestly would be stunned if this happened in <10 years. I think we very often underestimate how slow adoption rate is for new technology and how much money can be made by playing nice with the incumbent tech…

All of them accept online payments. It's really not a big leap to being able to pay for something through their website while in their store and walk out with it. Some places do this now, especially for bulky items, just scan the barcode in-store and they'll deliver it your house.

If I'm carrying a wallet or keys in my pockets in 10 years I'll be pretty disappointed.

Re: Coin: A step in the wrong direction

#43

The hating on Coin is unbelievable. It seems like a great first step towards backwards-compatible card consolidation. Are there going to be issues with it? Of course. Will it last in the long run? Well, the phone thing is obvious, kids. I bet these guys are aware of that and have a plan. Regardless, its an innovative piece of hardware that moves the ball. That's better than any of the shit I've built.

For me part of the issue is that I have enough money troubles where I am in life (and I'll admit Coin isn't probably targeted at me in that case) that I don't have time to worry about there being issues with the device that delivers purchases. I don't need, for example, one of those issues being that something that should hit a credit card hits a debit card or vice versa. When I give someone plastic they can't change the payment account when I'm not looking.

Re: Coin: A step in the wrong direction

#44

The hating on Coin is unbelievable. It seems like a great first step towards backwards-compatible card consolidation. Are there going to be issues with it? Of course. Will it last in the long run? Well, the phone thing is obvious, kids. I bet these guys are aware of that and have a plan. Regardless, its an innovative piece of hardware that moves the ball. That's better than any of the shit I've built.

Some of the 'hate' is coming from places (eg. Canada) that have already moved on to chip cards (which won't and probably can't work with this) and are now slowly moving on to nfc. It's just already late for this kind of development. 5 years ago? I'd have been all over this. Now? I'm just waiting for Apple to adopt NFC so we can all move forward on better solutions.

Re: Coin: A step in the wrong direction

#45

>> Visa requires that merchants ship a product prior to charging any Visa debit card This is very new to me. This source here: http://usa.visa.com/download/merchants/card-acceptance-guide... States: >> You should not bill the customer until merchandise has been shipped That is a best practice, not a requirement.

That's an interesting document. One would think that Coin would be used in "Card Present Transactions," however, none of the security features of a real card can be verified using a Coin, since they don't exist. Why would a merchant accept Coin?

Re: Coin: A step in the wrong direction

#46
I agree with the premise but not the details. I want my phone to be my keys and wallet. Coin will consolidate the 3 credit cards I have to one, but I still need to carry a wallet to hold my driver's license, gym card, medical id card, and Clipper. There are (few) cars and after market solutions that allow me to start/lock/unlock my car with my phone, but they feel half baked, and it's not ubiquitous yet... most new cars you can buy in the foreseeable future will come with keys and not an app. Replace my wallet and keys, Google or Apple or Microsoft or (YC company). It's time.

Re: Coin: A step in the wrong direction

#47
post #3

I dislike this article: it seems to suffer from 'perfect is the enemy of good'-itis and willful misunderstanding of how complex -- and difficult -- commerce can be. The author basically argues that things should be wonderful and easy and the service providers should handle it all (ignoring the difficulties of such a provision): I should use a plastic card, cheap, easily replaceable, low cost (free in most cases), and…

Coin is like "Google Voice for Credit Card". Its a layer that sits on top of an old, crusty infrastructure that hopefully crumbles with time, but until then, we have to deal with it somehow.

Re: Coin: A step in the wrong direction

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea but my credit card doesn't have a wireless radio built into it

As far as I can tell, the BLE radio in Coin is only used for detecting location, and doesn't expose any card details in any form.

If that were the case, how would the data input into your cell phone get stored on the card? I believe at a minimum Coin uses BLE to transmit card data from your phone to the device.

Re: Coin: A step in the wrong direction

#49
post #39

It really seems like this author has some kind of bone to pick. Banks aren't going away soon. Banks are not going to make it easy for third-parties to proxy transactions soon. NFC or other non-card POS technologies are not going to be everywhere soon. Those are valid hopes or dreams, and I hope someone is working on it. But Coin promises to be a product that will reduce many cards to one now . And arguing whether a "…

Why would banks go away? In the UK Barclays ran a load of ads a year or two back about "PingIt", their app for sending money to phone numbers or paying for things with QR codes.

I mention this because you propose banks as active resisters, but from how I see it they stand to make significant efficiency gains by just maintaining an app and website, as opposed to making plastic squares by the million, maintaining thousands of ATMs, even still printing chequebooks...

Re: Coin: A step in the wrong direction

#50
post #3

I dislike this article: it seems to suffer from 'perfect is the enemy of good'-itis and willful misunderstanding of how complex -- and difficult -- commerce can be. The author basically argues that things should be wonderful and easy and the service providers should handle it all (ignoring the difficulties of such a provision): I should use a plastic card, cheap, easily replaceable, low cost (free in most cases), and…

Coin is like "Google Voice for Credit Card". Its a layer that sits on top of an old, crusty infrastructure that hopefully crumbles with time, but until then, we have to deal with it somehow.

Isn't the "old crusty infrastructure" in this case the credit card itself?

It seems ridiculous to try to kill the credit card with... a credit card.

I wouldn't be surprised if Clinkle, LoopPay, Square, or any of the many startups in this space kills the credit card (and thus Coin) before Coin makes its first delivery in Summer 2014.

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