How GitHub No Longer Works
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How GitHub No Longer Works
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#2I'm a big fan of Zach Holman's talks and slides. He's a great speaker on these topics. Looking forward to seeing the video up soon.
Re: How GitHub No Longer Works
#3Seems like 20% of that slide deck is about chat rooms... GitHub still uses Campfire for chat?
I tried Campfire and Hipchat a couple years ago, neither stuck. Not sure why, maybe poor offline notifications and logging? Or maybe our team didn't have enough timezone overlap or things to chat about? Hard to say.
Is strong chat as important to Github as Zach implies?
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#4How GitHub works is one of my favourite slides, looking forward see how things have changed.
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#5Seems like 20% of that slide deck is about chat rooms... GitHub still uses Campfire for chat? I tried Campfire and Hipchat a couple years ago, neither stuck. Not sure why, maybe poor offline notifications and logging? Or maybe our team didn't have enough timezone overlap or things to chat about? Hard to say. Is strong chat as important to Github as Zach implies?
Absolutely.
As I mentioned, we have 150+ rooms that we chill in, and most of our day-to-day work practices are tied into chat. Mention someone's name in a room they're not present in and we send push notifications to their phone and desktop- works great to pull people in as needed, without needing to distract them with the noise of being in the room 24/7.
Our ops team is particularly in deep with chat. Instead of siloing everyone's process off individually in SSH sessions, many operations happen in chat, so everyone can learn and help out when diagnosing problems. They've built some really fascinating tooling around the problems they face- if you're interested, check out @jnewland's talk on ChatOps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NST3u-GjjFw
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#6Seems like 20% of that slide deck is about chat rooms... GitHub still uses Campfire for chat? I tried Campfire and Hipchat a couple years ago, neither stuck. Not sure why, maybe poor offline notifications and logging? Or maybe our team didn't have enough timezone overlap or things to chat about? Hard to say. Is strong chat as important to Github as Zach implies?
All the teams I have been part of have used chat together with Github. First team used Campfire, on the second team we started out with Hipchat, but we decided to give Flowdock a try, and now we can't live without the chat threads that Flowdock provides.
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#7I've found it interesting how many people in the Bay Area, particularly veterans of the 90s boom, discount a lot of the ideas pushed by GitHub and 37signals. Anedotally, one of the common responses whenever I reference either company is, "Yeah, but how big is [GitHub|37signals], really?" It's actually somewhat surprising to me how consistently I've encountered this response (so consistent, it feels as if it was distributed like a political talking point). As mentioned in the slides, publicly announced funding definitely serves as a signal, and I haven't heard anyone say that about GitHub since then, though someone said it to me regarding 37signals within the past few months.
What I think it really has to do with is that GitHub seems to make an effort to hire doers, whereas many companies develop processes to deal with non-doers, eg, having staging servers so non-technical staff can check the work of "their" developers. Remote work also doesn't serve the interests of non-doers, since they want to Have Meetings and Make Decisions.
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#8Love these talks from Zach Holman.
Brilliant work happening at GitHub, of course. Seeing the rise of the "primarily responsible person" is huge for us in our small company - we've found it's natural to work this way, without a label.
Keep on putting out these fantastic slides, Zach.
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#9Love these talks from Zach Holman. Brilliant work happening at GitHub, of course. Seeing the rise of the "primarily responsible person" is huge for us in our small company - we've found it's natural to work this way, without a label. Keep on putting out these fantastic slides, Zach.
Seriously. I almost never just flip through slides without a video but these were engaging and to the point, as a slide show should be.
...and now I wanna work at GitHub. :)
Keep it up!
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#10Seems like 20% of that slide deck is about chat rooms... GitHub still uses Campfire for chat? I tried Campfire and Hipchat a couple years ago, neither stuck. Not sure why, maybe poor offline notifications and logging? Or maybe our team didn't have enough timezone overlap or things to chat about? Hard to say. Is strong chat as important to Github as Zach implies?
We've been on HipChat for a bit now. Campfire seemed a bit ugly to our tastes.
We don't use chat so much for the Hubot-ish stuff, but I have enjoyed using Robut[0] as a culture tool. I usually serve it directly from my computer, which is fun.