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Re: Soylent on the latest Vice piece

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That was the beta/promo batch. I fail to see how that's relevant now. They're already subjecting the production version to rigorous testing. As for trials, those cost hundreds of millions of dollars and are done for no other food. Are you suggesting that they simply not make Soylent because it hasn't gone through a phase 3? I bet you're real fun at bake sales.

That's the point. You don't get to "beta" foodstuffs. Try running a public beta on some cancer drugs and see how far you get.

Sure you can beta test foodstuffs. They're not under the same level of regulatory scrutiny as cancer drugs. That is well established by the FDA.

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Why don't you just buy Ensure or Carnation Instant Breakfast? They already exist and are well known, that you can buy anywhere. Or make yourself a bowl of oatmeal. Or eat leftovers from the night before. I think that the only reason that anyone's interested in Soylent is the current startup/crowdfunding bubble hype, not because it's actually anything particularly new. Soylent is to Ensure as Groupon is to coupons. Be…

Can you really compare products like Ensure or Carnation Instant Breakfast to Soylent? Pick up any of those products in a store and you'll see that half of the ingredients have nothing to do with nutritional value and are about making the product taste better. I'm holding a bottle of Nestle's "Boost" meal replacement drink right now and here are the main ingredients: > Water, Sugar, Corn Syrup Solids, Modified Milk I…

I'm not sure flavorlessness will make Soylent more popular. Most people like to have at least some flavor.

My point is that there already are a lot of products out there that are "fast, simple, and nutritionally complete that can be used from time to time as supplementation when you don't feel the need to sit down for an actual meal," but I don't see everyone who's so excited about Soylent already using them on a regular basis. OK, perhaps you would prefer to have something without sugar in it (I'm not sure why you would object to the other ingredients, fats and salts are essential parts of your diet), but I would think that if Soylent were going to be as popular as people make it out to be, there would already be lots of people replacing meals with existing meal replacements. All Soylent offers over the others is that it's bland, as far as I can tell.

I'm not saying the existing, well known ones are better. Just that they haven't revolutionized food or replaced traditional meals on a large scale or anything.

There are plenty of people who do already replace occasional meals with these existing meal replacers, along with energy bars and the like. So, Soylent will be one more out of a large number of choices in this field, produced by people with no particular food industry experience, and more bland than the rest. Is that supposed to get me excited about "the future of food"?

I can imagine people who already do use existing meal replacers, but having some particular problem with them that Soylent solves, might go for this. And then there's the Silicon Valley hype bubble, where a bunch of people will buy it and drink it for lunch for a month or two before getting bored and excited by the next big new thing (Twitter to your shoes! Personal Instagram quadcopter follow bot! Distributed decentralized FarmVille/GTA hybrid!)

The reason I'm so baffled by this is that it's hard to imagine why so many people would get excited about yet another product in an already crowded marketplace that's fairly niche (well, fairly niche for people who use them as their primary nutrition; relatively large for people who use it to replace an occasional meal). I don't see anything revolutionary about Soylent; it's yet another meal replacer.

Re: Soylent on the latest Vice piece

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McDonalds is fucking delicious. I'd still much rather put bland goop into my body considering how terrible the contents of a Big 'n' Tasty combo meal is for my health.

I'm pretty darn sure the bland goop eaten in the same quantity is as equally dangerous. Ever heard of the term 'balanced diet'?

What's unbalanced about Soylent?

Re: Soylent on the latest Vice piece

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It's right here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6720193

It has practically disappeared and the submitted link was substituted[1]. I think this is a first. I doubt that PG is aware of this type of orchestrated manipulation going on. It is quite dangerous for the credibility of HN. Soylent seems interesting and potentially disruptive. However, it is FOOD and deserves to be put under the microscope. Anyone conniving to make them dodge scrutiny (especially via underhand moves…

The mods constantly replace blogspam with the original source. Probably several times a day.

Re: Soylent on the latest Vice piece

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It has practically disappeared and the submitted link was substituted[1]. I think this is a first. I doubt that PG is aware of this type of orchestrated manipulation going on. It is quite dangerous for the credibility of HN. Soylent seems interesting and potentially disruptive. However, it is FOOD and deserves to be put under the microscope. Anyone conniving to make them dodge scrutiny (especially via underhand moves…

YC owns a portion of Soylent. It is not in the best financial interest of YC to portray them in a negative light. You can't reasonably expect impartial and unbiased information to come from this site, can you? They have a vested interest in seeing the success of their children.

Actually we go out of our way to avoid killing stories critical of YC cos, to forestall exactly that complaint. Not that it works.

Re: Soylent on the latest Vice piece

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YC owns a portion of Soylent. It is not in the best financial interest of YC to portray them in a negative light. You can't reasonably expect impartial and unbiased information to come from this site, can you? They have a vested interest in seeing the success of their children.

Actually we go out of our way to avoid killing stories critical of YC cos, to forestall exactly that complaint. Not that it works.

If you look for YC/HN drama, you will find it; it's like numerology.

Re: Soylent on the latest Vice piece

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I was replying to a comment that suggested he was interested in using it merely as a supplement (replacing only lunch). Ensure is perfectly capable of doing that. I'm not sure what "stronger guarantees" Soylent would have. Ensure has been used to replace meals for tons of sick people for 40 years; why do you think that a few computer geeks will be able to suddenly do better than 40 years of industrial research? As fa…

You have to chew rice and beans. It's still easier and faster to gulp down some slop.

I'm commuting 2+ hours twice a week for school, and I don't have time to actually eat (real) food in between work and school. Having a decent meal replacement for that is helpful, so that I don't end up eating garbage.

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Soylent is a food, like the McDonald's McRib sandwich, the Baconator from Wendy's, the Denny's Grand Slam Breakfast, and the delicious beef tacos from my local Mexican restaurant. Why does Soylent need more scrutiny than any of these or the hundreds of thousands of other food products on the market today?

Can you explain to me what the difference in purpose is between a McRib sandwich and Soylent?

Both the McRib and Soylent are intended to extract a price from customers in exchange for sustenance and a positive consumption experience. The McRib leans towards experience in its marketing and Soylent leans more towards sustenance.

The marketing of Soylent is certainly more active these days which isn't really that surprising as the product and company have developed from a concept to a full fledged and funded company. They're affiliating themselves with claims and experiences that may be unfounded, just like the McRib implies it's a delicious BBQ pork sandwich and not processed meat (pork?) shaped to look like rib meat or how car manufactures imply that purchasing a new vehicle will improve your life substantially. Customers will decide if their product matches their claims or if the product serves enough of a function to purchase despite the fact that it may not meet all of the claims it affiliates itself with (like complete food replacement... which is a marketing affiliation, not a legal claim). If you buy Soylent and get sick because all you eat is Soylent and you don't take the necessary precautions when completely changing your diet then you're in that category of consumer that might buy Axe Body Spray and think it's going to be the sole factor that makes you attractive to female models.

Marketing can be over the top and distasteful, but that doesn't relieve consumers from their responsibility to be skeptical of marketing claims and do their own research and basic risk remediation before purchasing a product.

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Can you explain to me what the difference in purpose is between a McRib sandwich and Soylent?

Both the McRib and Soylent are intended to extract a price from customers in exchange for sustenance and a positive consumption experience. The McRib leans towards experience in its marketing and Soylent leans more towards sustenance. The marketing of Soylent is certainly more active these days which isn't really that surprising as the product and company have developed from a concept to a full fledged and funded com…

Don't play coy. "McRibs taste great", "Axe make supermodels hang off you", and all variations on these are textbook puffery, and you know it.
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