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Visual Studio 2013 Launches With New Online Tools, Browser-Based Code Editor

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Re: Visual Studio 2013 Launches With New Online Tools, Browser-Based Code Editor

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Post by j_s »

tyler-codenvy wrote: post #13

The Monaco project form Visual Studio is exciting. We (Codenvy) have tracked nearly 50 web-based editors that have emerged in the past 2 years. A few of them have transitioned into full businesses with venture backing. Most of them have remained side projects or experiments. With Microsoft's project related to Monaco and their VP's statement in the TechCrunch article that this style of development is where the future…

Is there a list of web-based editors beyond http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_JavaScript-based_... ?

Re: Visual Studio 2013 Launches With New Online Tools, Browser-Based Code Editor

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Post by tyler-codenvy »

j_s wrote: post #22
tyler-codenvy wrote: post #13

The Monaco project form Visual Studio is exciting. We (Codenvy) have tracked nearly 50 web-based editors that have emerged in the past 2 years. A few of them have transitioned into full businesses with venture backing. Most of them have remained side projects or experiments. With Microsoft's project related to Monaco and their VP's statement in the TechCrunch article that this style of development is where the future…

Is there a list of web-based editors beyond http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_JavaScript-based_... ?

This is the list that I track and follow today. Apologies for any duplicates or typos. It's just my scratch pad list.

Of course my company, Codenvy should be in the list, too.

Koding (funded) CodeRun Eclipse Orion & Eclipse OrionHub Cloud9IDE CodeNow Nitrous.IO CodeCube ApplicationCraft Adobe Brackets.io UmbrellaSDK Vaadin Arvue TrackVia DevUnity Py I/O Web2Py Collide (GOOG) FriendCo.de WebStorm Coffee.io Cloudifier SWIFT Edit - England CodePen JSFiddle Dabblet Pastebin.me CSSDesk jsdo.it tinker SQL Fiddle Compilr Codeanywhere.net (funded) IDEOne PythonAnywhere Scalakata.com ideone.com onlinejavaide.com Kalupa Magikai Ninja-ide.org Microsoft TouchDevelop Notepad++ Codepen.io cloudenvy http://icecoder.net/ jackdb.com codio.com codebender.cc PythonMonk Hull.io maqetta Codebunk.com thebinaryapp.com editey.com brainengine http://www.crunchzilla.com/code-monster codiad goorm.io Microsoft Visual Studio Online Monaco

Re: Visual Studio 2013 Launches With New Online Tools, Browser-Based Code Editor

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Post by tyler-codenvy »

fpp wrote: post #19
tyler-codenvy wrote: post #13

The Monaco project form Visual Studio is exciting. We (Codenvy) have tracked nearly 50 web-based editors that have emerged in the past 2 years. A few of them have transitioned into full businesses with venture backing. Most of them have remained side projects or experiments. With Microsoft's project related to Monaco and their VP's statement in the TechCrunch article that this style of development is where the future…

great overview at quora.com are you estimating the market for such (Cloud-IDE) tools being currently $465M or did I misunderstood that - interesting when now the first key (legacy) development IDE providers (MS - VS) are moving towards that approach as well.

The size of the market in monetary measures depends upon how you define the market itself. If your definition are companies that provide Web-based editors or specifically IDEs with functionality specifically around edit / build / run / deploy, the market is very small today. But if you look at the broader cloud development market that includes code hosting, test, and some other functions that can sometimes be associated with IDEs, then that market is $465M and it's growing rather fast.

Re: Visual Studio 2013 Launches With New Online Tools, Browser-Based Code Editor

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Post by swalsh »

Speculation here:

I wonder if Microsoft sees the fleeting profitability in owning the desktop environment (more competition, shrinking market, higher expectations). So they're trying to apply the same concepts that really helped propel windows as a popular platform (easy to develop for) to their cloud platform (azure) in an attempt to coax their existing user base to start adopting it over other cloud platforms (like google apps)

As a windows developer myself, I see this as a great strategy. I've been questioning staying with C# and windows for a few years now... it started with buying a Mac (while running Parallels) and learning several new languages. But I still LIKE C#. So it might be a great transition plan.

Re: Visual Studio 2013 Launches With New Online Tools, Browser-Based Code Editor

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Post by lmkg »

swalsh wrote: post #29

Speculation here: I wonder if Microsoft sees the fleeting profitability in owning the desktop environment (more competition, shrinking market, higher expectations). So they're trying to apply the same concepts that really helped propel windows as a popular platform (easy to develop for) to their cloud platform (azure) in an attempt to coax their existing user base to start adopting it over other cloud platforms (like…

I don't think Microsoft yet sees the demise of desktop as a given, but they are hedging their bets against it. Web, mobile, cloud, &c. are all platforms that are threatening desktop. Microsoft is trying to push into them, not to abandon desktop, but to make sure that they have a foothold regardless of which platform(s) end up dominant in the future.

As late entrants into most of these platforms, their strategy is to leverage their existing technical capital as much as possible. So, we're seeing cloud versions of Outlook, Office, and now Visual Studio. I don't think they're trying to move people away from desktop (yet), but they are making their company's fate less tightly bound to desktop.

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