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Re: Soylent on the latest Vice piece

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It's a related story; it's not the same one. This is basically Soylent's response to the previous story. It's the second chapter in an ongoing dialogue of sorts. I can't claim to speak for everyone here, but I speak as one of the 36 people (at the time of this comment) who upvoted this story. I think it's interesting.

Flag a post because it's inappropriate -- not because you don't care for the topic.

Re: Soylent on the latest Vice piece

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Soylent will likely become a billion dollar global enterprise, and even "disrupt" the food industry. It will also ultimately be a failure and frowned upon in modern society. Why? Because a Soylent-saturated world would rob families and loved ones of the ritual and benefits of eating together. Eating together civilizes people. It's emotionally and socially edifying. Studies show that families that dine together stay t…

I cook breakfast for my kids every morning. We eat together every night. For lunch, I'm at work and I typically microwave some junk and get on with more important things. For me, it'd be nice to have another solution for the mid-day meal. So, I've bought in for a trial. I'm not expecting it to be a 100% replacement for regular food. My hunch is that most people will not replace 100% of their food with soylent.

Re: Soylent on the latest Vice piece

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Soylent will likely become a billion dollar global enterprise, and even "disrupt" the food industry. It will also ultimately be a failure and frowned upon in modern society. Why? Because a Soylent-saturated world would rob families and loved ones of the ritual and benefits of eating together. Eating together civilizes people. It's emotionally and socially edifying. Studies show that families that dine together stay t…

Correlation/causation - dining together doesn't cause all those benefits, it is simply correlated with them. There is probably a common factor which causes all of those behaviours, probably something to do with education and wealth (although working out exactly what is a bit too much science for a back-of-envelope estimate).

Nonetheless, your fundamental criticism of Soylent is probably still valid (even if the target market isn't families.)

Re: Soylent on the latest Vice piece

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What happened to the original HN submission of the vice article?

It's right here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6720193

It has practically disappeared and the submitted link was substituted[1]. I think this is a first.

I doubt that PG is aware of this type of orchestrated manipulation going on. It is quite dangerous for the credibility of HN.

Soylent seems interesting and potentially disruptive. However, it is FOOD and deserves to be put under the microscope. Anyone conniving to make them dodge scrutiny (especially via underhand moves) is not doing them any favours.

[1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6720515

Re: Soylent on the latest Vice piece

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They definitely need two kinds of soylent. One, soylent red, with a different formula and more nutrients for the first few days while our bodies adapt, and then regular soylent green. I say this because everybody complains the first days are really hard on their bodies and nerves. So a smooth transition would make it easier to stick to the plan and reduce drop rates.

I'm pretty sure calling it anything other than Soylent Red and Green would be a really, really good idea. Call it a hunch.

Re: Soylent on the latest Vice piece

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Soylent will likely become a billion dollar global enterprise, and even "disrupt" the food industry. It will also ultimately be a failure and frowned upon in modern society. Why? Because a Soylent-saturated world would rob families and loved ones of the ritual and benefits of eating together. Eating together civilizes people. It's emotionally and socially edifying. Studies show that families that dine together stay t…

No one eats every meal with their family, and people who switch to Soylent for every meal are doing so for the interesting story and proof that Soylent, at least in the short term, is not harmful and is complete. The fact that eating together with friends or family is great has very little to do with Soylent.

Re: Soylent on the latest Vice piece

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Soylent will likely become a billion dollar global enterprise, and even "disrupt" the food industry. It will also ultimately be a failure and frowned upon in modern society. Why? Because a Soylent-saturated world would rob families and loved ones of the ritual and benefits of eating together. Eating together civilizes people. It's emotionally and socially edifying. Studies show that families that dine together stay t…

You don't have to eat it all the time. There's no contract, really.

Re: Soylent on the latest Vice piece

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Soylent will likely become a billion dollar global enterprise, and even "disrupt" the food industry. It will also ultimately be a failure and frowned upon in modern society. Why? Because a Soylent-saturated world would rob families and loved ones of the ritual and benefits of eating together. Eating together civilizes people. It's emotionally and socially edifying. Studies show that families that dine together stay t…

People keeping bringing this up. What is so difficult about the concept that not everyone wants to, or even can, cook meals that are nutritionally suitable, healthy or even intended to be consumed collectively - all the time?

Re: Soylent on the latest Vice piece

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Soylent will likely become a billion dollar global enterprise, and even "disrupt" the food industry. It will also ultimately be a failure and frowned upon in modern society. Why? Because a Soylent-saturated world would rob families and loved ones of the ritual and benefits of eating together. Eating together civilizes people. It's emotionally and socially edifying. Studies show that families that dine together stay t…

> Because Soylent robs families and loved ones of the ritual and ceremony of eating together.

And frees them up to participate in other rituals together?

Just think how many other activities could be correlated with "families that stay together." It's almost a given, since the alternative would be a family that was divorced or estranged from each other... yet still came together for meals.

Re: Soylent on the latest Vice piece

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Soylent will likely become a billion dollar global enterprise, and even "disrupt" the food industry. It will also ultimately be a failure and frowned upon in modern society. Why? Because a Soylent-saturated world would rob families and loved ones of the ritual and benefits of eating together. Eating together civilizes people. It's emotionally and socially edifying. Studies show that families that dine together stay t…

I don't think Soylent has to stop families from eating together, and if it does, the reason those families aren't eating together probably isn't entirely due to Soylent.

Rob himself mentions in his blog many times that he imagines most people won't do what he's done and quit eating real food altogether. It's more of a "fast food" replacement than anything. When you're busy with work or something and the act of cooking is a distraction, you'll often just grab a bag of chips from the pantry or -- if you can take the time -- you might run out to the nearest McDonald's to sate your hunger. You don't want food because it's good, or because you're spending time with your family -- you want it because you're hungry. Rob wants to provide a quick and healthy meal for times like that.

Will I use Soylent? I dunno, probably not. But I can see where the niche exists.

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