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How I Ate No Food for 30 Days

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Re: How I Ate No Food for 30 Days

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EDIT: Unbelievable. Both the title and the link to the article I commented on have been swapped from the PandoDaily article (http://pandodaily.com/2013/11/12/vice-investigates-soylent-f...) to the Vice article which PandoDaily referred to, but that tries to give it a positive spin.

This goes well beyond whatever policy pg was trying to defend recently. This is deeply manipulative.

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It looks a scam, it sounds like a scam, it's marketed like a scam and now it apparently is being produced like any other scam.

So how long until we finally draw the obvious conclusion?

Just because some notable VC's gambled on it doesn't make it any more credible. In fact, there is pretty much zero evidence in the credible column.

Re: How I Ate No Food for 30 Days

#33
People dont realize what little regulations supplements face compared to "food".

Most products you buy at nutrition/health stores (like GNC/Vitamin Shoppe/etc.) are not really tested. You can pretty much be getting chalk and no one will know. Or you get an overdose of Ephedra and die.

Re: How I Ate No Food for 30 Days

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "mold" part of the title feels especially disingenuous.

There was literally mold on a month-old product. How is it disingenuous to say there are rats and mold?

You forget that this is a SV product. That wasn't mold, that was "eco-synergy".

Re: How I Ate No Food for 30 Days

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "mold" part of the title feels especially disingenuous.

There was literally mold on a month-old product. How is it disingenuous to say there are rats and mold?

Because the mold occurred when the packaging was compromised -- this is not related to the conditions of the manufacturing.

Re: How I Ate No Food for 30 Days

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There are some fairly stringent regulations that ensure food products are made in a GMP environment.[1] Flaunting those rules is extremely dangerous, both from a health perspective and from a legal one. There are numerous instances where those in charge of food operations have gone to prison for failing to maintain hygienic standards.[2] Soylent better get their shit together. Food safety is nothing to play around wi…

Aren't supplements/non-medical powders/various other juju immune from FDA issues?

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Re: How I Ate No Food for 30 Days

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I suppose you could spin it "Look how healthy our rats are and there is nothing in this warehouse but Soylent! Testing on rats, check!"

But this made me a bit sad.

I think Soylent is great, it is disruptive, it is more palatable than nutraloaf it could be a great alternative for folks who just need food to live, and it could provide a fascinating 'control' group for various Microbiome projects. But clearly these folks aren't exactly "experienced" as Jimi Hendrix might say.

Here is the challenge, there is a crap ton of knowledge about how to do things that isn't taught in school or on the web or in books. You learn that by 'apprenticing' at a company or organization which is already doing something like what you want to do, and getting the history of all the things they had to overcome and avoid "in the old days." It isn't nostalgia, it is education through experience. That is what experience is. And the only way to get it, is to experience it. It was sad for me when I realized this, I could be smarter than my manager at the time and yet he could be a better manager because he had experienced more issues and overcome them (or at least seen the solution to them) to have a much better sense of what would be an important problem and what would be a minor problem. I could put any situation I wanted in front of him and he had an answer to the "big problem" / "small problem" classification, but he could not express that as an algorithm I could learn from.

So when people come out of college and start companies the next day I tend to cringe a bit as there is a lot of stuff they are going to learn the hard way. That is doubly true when you're doing multiple disciplines (food prep + nutrition + distribution + marketing + regulation + Etc.) and having run a business of type A won't prime you to run one of type B, other than to help you recognize where you need subject matter experts.

One wonders why the first hire at Soylent wasn't someone who had 5 years or more setting up and running a food production line. I don't know but I have heard folks in similar situations say "How hard could it be?"

Re: How I Ate No Food for 30 Days

#39

As someone who drinks Soylent regularly, the most pertinent part of this article was the blood tests after the author went on a 30 day Soylent-only diet. "Doctors tested Merchant’s blood at the end of it, and the only nutrient he was deficient in was Vitamin D -- i.e. sunlight", which he says made sense because having Soylent handy meant he "wouldn’t have to leave the office". That's certainly good news. If the mold…

> "And as for the rat (singular -- not "rats" plural as the title says)"

As someone who has (unfortunately) had to deal with rats before, there is no such thing as a singular rat. A singular rat you see represents many you do not in the vicinity.

By the time you can see a single rat on a simple walk-through of the facility, you have an infestation on your hands.

Re: How I Ate No Food for 30 Days

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EDIT: Unbelievable. Both the title and the link to the article I commented on have been swapped from the PandoDaily article ( http://pandodaily.com/2013/11/12/vice-investigates-soylent-f... ) to the Vice article which PandoDaily referred to, but that tries to give it a positive spin. This goes well beyond whatever policy pg was trying to defend recently. This is deeply manipulative. --- It looks a scam, it sounds lik…

It certainly isn't a scam. However, I went to an engineering school, and have met Food Engineers.

Food Engineering is a difficult branch of chemical engineering. You've got regulations, you've got people's lives at stake. The Soylent guys just went at it like a hacker: because thats what they are. They're taking the "startup culture" and trying to apply it to food.

And that is incredibly dangerous. Anyone who has any connection at all to the food industry knows that PEOPLE DIE IF YOU MESS THIS UP. This is NOT a "hackathon", and a SINGLE mistake can accidentally kill someone.

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