The Tie is Back • Hacker News Board

Re: The Tie is Back

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Post by nailer » Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 1:31 AM UTC

Alex3917 wrote: post #19

To quote Wikipedia: "The use of coloured and patterned neckties indicating the wearer's membership in a club, military regiment, school, et cetera, dates only from late-nineteenth century England. The first definite occurrence was in 1880, when Exeter College, Oxford rowers took the College-colour ribbons from their straw boaters and wore them as neckties (knotted four-in-hand), and then went on to order a proper set…

19th Century England? That's terrible.

Cravattes are much older than that. Croatian mercenaries used by Louis (I think XV) used to wear red garments around their necks. The mercenaries had a reputation as being fantastic soldiers, and French men copied the military trend with what they called a 'Cravatte' derived from 'Croat'.

(My girlfriend's in the fashion industry - she works at an Australian lingerie label now but used to work at Aqua Scutum)

Re: The Tie is Back

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Post by ereldon » Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 2:19 AM UTC

i don't think this article is about PR gaming reporters, even though PR sadly does set the agenda with reporters sometimes.

my read of the article is that some hipster NYT reporter's narrow hipster-centric view of the world made it through the NYT editorial filter. why? because the reporter was no doubt influenced by their hipster friends in ny/la who were wearing this crap.

beyond the reporter, the NYT prides itself in its NY bias, whether its fashion or politics or whatever else. they love this local fashion hype, because its local and strengthens the paper's own image as a part of the local scene. that's most likely why some aging NYT editor let this BS through.

all that said, i'm pretty sure we can all agree that the dudes in those NYT pictures looked really, really annoying. punchable, even.

Re: The Tie is Back

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Post by DaniFong » Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 3:08 AM UTC

ardit33 wrote: post #13

ok, people, we have to admit, the average startup guys are bunch of fugly mofos. We totally lack fashion sense, beauty (gym is just a disctraction), etc... etc... Unfortunately, we are cursed of working and being in a very male oriented industry, in which the very few females we get to interact, are not good looking at all. oh, well.....

In the wrong light, that comment could be seen as quite insulting.

Re: The Tie is Back

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Post by chaostheory » Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 3:33 AM UTC

electric wrote: post #7

I agree that the tie is back. I wear a tie to my lab everyday. Sometimes it gets in the way as I fiddle with the calibration knobs on my oscilloscope, but people take my research findings a lot more seriously these days as a result of it.

is this the tie that you're wearing:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/apparel/hats-ties/9352/

Re: The Tie is Back

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Post by jamesbritt » Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 4:33 AM UTC

ereldon wrote: post #22

i don't think this article is about PR gaming reporters, even though PR sadly does set the agenda with reporters sometimes. my read of the article is that some hipster NYT reporter's narrow hipster-centric view of the world made it through the NYT editorial filter. why? because the reporter was no doubt influenced by their hipster friends in ny/la who were wearing this crap. beyond the reporter, the NYT prides itself…

Anything that helps makes hipsters identifiable at a distance is a Good Thing.

My favorite quote:

"ThereaEURXs no question that there has been a dramatic increase among younger guys, who are age 18 to 34, expressing themselves by dressing up", as said by Some Important Fashion Person.

I'm pretty sure I read or hear that exact line every 3 years.

BTW, is 33 still in the ballpark range for the "younger guys" category?

Re: The Tie is Back

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Post by ceesai » Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 6:02 AM UTC

pg wrote: post #3

gibsonf1 wrote: post #2

This almost looks like it's not a PR piece for Men's Warehouse.

This time the client is the necktie trade association. Just follow the quotes: user, expert, expert, client.

Infomercials use similar temporal structures, but they are forced to use different endings because the whole thing is framed as something offered by the client. So they use the Client offering vast reduction ending. User, Expert, Expert, Client Discount! These methods surely have evolved to dovetail with psychological biases: New information leads to a tonic level of skepticism, which should be assuaged soon by expert assurance before it coagulates into general aversion for the product. Once this has been achieved, you can plug a specific product meeting this newly created cognitive shelf-space for a want.

Re: The Tie is Back

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Post by daniel-cussen » Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 8:58 AM UTC

I just saw a guy in my dorm print this article out and post it outside his room. We live in SV.

Re: The Tie is Back

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Post by auferstehung » Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 1:36 PM UTC

Ties are an abomination. They are the apex of everything that is wrong with western civilization; the culmination of fluff utterly drained of whatever utility they once may have had. Ties are the peacock feather of man. OSHA should ban them as an occupational hazard. An MSDS should be required to be provided with each tie sale.

It is a little known fact that the B-Ark contained all the neckties from Golgafrincham in additiion to the hairdressers, telephone sanitizers and others. The Golgafrincham neckties were initially considered as the form of legal tender on prehistoric Earth, however, it was discovered that it was too difficult to tie a proper Full Windsor with a leaf.

"People with ropes around their necks don't always hang."

Re: The Tie is Back

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Post by ivankirigin » Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 7:22 PM UTC

Here is how to wear a tie: don't button your top button of your shirt, and don't tighten the tie to your neck.

Many tie wearers cut off circulation to their heads to a certain degree. Bad idea.

Also, ties can be designed really well. I have a few that are made from older ties with nice high-contrast silk-screened patterns.

Given how good they can look as an accessory, and how impressed many people are with them, they should be worn more often.

Re: The Tie is Back

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Post by electric » Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 7:51 PM UTC

chaostheory wrote: post #24

electric wrote: post #7

I agree that the tie is back. I wear a tie to my lab everyday. Sometimes it gets in the way as I fiddle with the calibration knobs on my oscilloscope, but people take my research findings a lot more seriously these days as a result of it.

is this the tie that you're wearing: http://www.thinkgeek.com/apparel/hats-ties/9352/

That's a little too binary for my liking. I wear the analog variety.