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Re: Hey developers, stop forcing me to login to unsubscribe

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Post by Daniel_Newby »

drivingmissm wrote: post #100
Daniel_Newby wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No right is being violated. It is a breach of duty: "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press". Even ignoring the first amendment, there is no enabling clause that grants the general power to regulate communication.

Regulating commercial speech is constitutional under the Commerce Clause. CAN-SPAM doesn't apply to political or non-profit organizations.

Within its scope, the first amendment completely overrides the commerce clause. There is not the tiniest exception—that is the point of amending.

Re: Hey developers, stop forcing me to login to unsubscribe

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Post by Daniel_Newby »

wtallis wrote: post #87
Daniel_Newby wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No right is being violated. It is a breach of duty: "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press". Even ignoring the first amendment, there is no enabling clause that grants the general power to regulate communication.

Your freedom of speech does not entitle you to free usage of any privately owned electronic communications system. Your freedom of speech protects the content of your message, but does not guarantee you free postage.

Stop with the analogies. We are talking about elements of law, not elements of what-ought-to-be that might be studied by analogy. Congress is without power to regulate communication, end of dispute. Congress cannot stop spammers any more than they can stop me from casting messages into bricks and mailing them to someone who is paying a package forwarding service.

Re: Hey developers, stop forcing me to login to unsubscribe

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

Daniel_Newby wrote: post #130
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying that the CAN-SPAM act is abridging someone's freedom of speech? Whose? You may have the right to speak but you don't have a right to force the populous to listen. Communication is two way, spam is one-way.

The person sending the spam. You have the right to expose people to communications with no Congressional control whatever. Congress shall make no law . You may shout on a street corner, you may set up a PA system until your neighbors are driven to madness, you may place pornography on a billboard, etc. Congress can do nothing to stop it.

>"You may shout on a street corner, you may set up a PA system until your neighbors are driven to madness, you may place pornography on a billboard, etc. Congress can do nothing to stop it." //

Are you trolling. You consider the constitutional right to free speech to encompass things like setting up a PA in public that is so loud it physically harms people?

It's not a right to amplified speech, nor "free shouting".

Re: Hey developers, stop forcing me to login to unsubscribe

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Post by btilly »

mayneack wrote: post #95
btilly wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a problem for the anti-spam algorithms that need to figure out who will consider what to be spam. Spam is in the eye of the recipient. If you send me marketing emails that I do not want, it is spam. Even if someone else would want it. If people didn't mark stuff as spam, then there would be absolutely no reason for marketing people not to send spam to everyone. Even if only one person in 10,000 wants to read…

Seems to me that it's helping the anti-spam algorithms by marking spam as spam

The data helps solve the challenge. But the real challenge for the anti-spam algorithms is that what is considered spam is recipient-dependent.

Re: Hey developers, stop forcing me to login to unsubscribe

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Post by tripzilch »

shadyabhi wrote: post #128
georgemcbay wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been doing this for years and don't feel the least bit bad about it, and I think everyone should adopt this practice. If marking as spam or unsubscribing are approximately equal effort, I will unsubscribe; if unsubscribing is even slightly more difficult than marking as spam, I mark as spam with no regrets. Even if you don't force me to login but make me do some monkey trick like type "CANCEL" into a box => spam…

You should generally do Report Spam,at least I do that. If the email was sent from something you didn't actually subscribe, hitting unsubscribe tells the spammer that the email id is in fact genuine which will ultimately get you more spam.

Got any recent evidence for this? Because I'm not sure if this is actually still the case.

I don't have the link anymore because this was already a couple of years ago, was someone taking this ages-old advice to the test. Clicking the "unsubscribe" link on all spam delivered to an old spam-infested email address, he found that it reduced the amount of spam received to that address by a significant amount.

Re: Hey developers, stop forcing me to login to unsubscribe

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Post by CassieTFC »

I was recently reading an article about making it easy for users to use a website http://sixrevisions.com/usabilityaccessibility/getting-users....

In my opinion, I agree. User-friendly is key. In my personal experience, users appreciate ease of access, including unsubscribing.

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