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> your body is actually better at processing MSG than salt A citation or source would be much appreciated.
Sorry about that, from the wikipedia page on MSG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monosodium_glutamate#Safety The oral lethal dose to 50% of subjects (LD50) is between 15 to 18 g/kg body weight in rats and mice respectively, five times greater than the LD50 of salt (3 g/kg in rats). Which references: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10736380
It's the Umami – Why the Truth About MSG is So Easy to Swallow
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#12This article is both accurate and highly misleading. The author is correct that there is very little reliable evidence that links glutamic acid and/or glutamate to health problems. The backlash against MSG as a result of the "Chinese Restaurant Syndrome" craze, was not rooted in scientific inquiry. However, MSG is not just a source for glutamate like seaweed and tomatoes are. MSG is the sodium salt of glutamic acid a…
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
> your body is actually better at processing MSG than salt A citation or source would be much appreciated.
Sorry about that, from the wikipedia page on MSG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monosodium_glutamate#Safety The oral lethal dose to 50% of subjects (LD50) is between 15 to 18 g/kg body weight in rats and mice respectively, five times greater than the LD50 of salt (3 g/kg in rats). Which references: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10736380
>> Therefore, the intake of MSG as a food additive and the natural level of glutamic acid in foods do not represent a toxicological concern in humans.
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#14This article is both accurate and highly misleading. The author is correct that there is very little reliable evidence that links glutamic acid and/or glutamate to health problems. The backlash against MSG as a result of the "Chinese Restaurant Syndrome" craze, was not rooted in scientific inquiry. However, MSG is not just a source for glutamate like seaweed and tomatoes are. MSG is the sodium salt of glutamic acid a…
In other words, the sodium intake from eating MSG is about 1/3 that of table salt on a per weight basis.
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#15I've heard that the sickness associated with MSG is more likely due to ingesting old rice. If you want to get glutamates in your food, when cooking with meat proteins, add mushrooms, seaweed, or even a single prawn or anchovy.
Yes, I remember there being a British, I think, study in 2011 or 2012 that bought samples of cooked rice from various oriental food sellers and found that some were contaminated (moist warm food left out for hours); the reasoning is that when people report sickness or allergy to the MSG that oriental food in the West is notoriously prepared with, they're actually having issues with the rice.
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#16Saying that the experimental results are mixed does not make me feel better. Experimenting with humans is very difficult, and certain types of experiments are downright impossible. Thus, effects of foods that do are not immediate and drastic are very hard to determine in human experiments.
Think about a food that we now know is very dangerous: trans fats. Humans had been eating trans fats for about 80 years when they were definitely found to cause heart attacks. Only then there was enough data to make a definite connection. And while there were some scientific articles that suggested a connection in the 60's someone could always say "there is no definite proof." Many people died of heart attacks before the statistics became such that a connection was obvious.
Then there is the tendency of people to wrongly assume that compounds that are kind of similar will have the identical effect on the body. Thus, for a long time carbohydrates were all bunched together because they were very similar molecules. People would often say that carbohydrates cannot be bad for you because humans have been eating rice and wheat for centuries without negative effects. But it turned out that fructose is a little different than other carbohydrates and it can be bad for you.
And then there is the fact that the same thing can be benign or very dangerous depending on what form it is in. Thus, fructose is absolutely benign when eaten as part of a fruit or vegetable, but quite harmful when eaten in a refined sugar or high fructose corn syrup form.
So I am very very suspicious of any food additives. The only rational decision for a human being is to eat the type of foods humans have eaten for tens of thousands of years before and for which our bodies have evolved. Maybe MSG is benign. Or maybe it is actually bad for you. I would prefer not to become one of those statistics that allows scientists to prove many years from now that MSG is indeed bad for you.
MSG is especially worrying because there are some studies that show negative effects of MSG and the fact that other studies show no effects does not quite negate these. Furthermore, I myself feel negative effects when eating certain foods that I suspect of containing MSG.
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#17Sorry if I'm being insensitive, but how is Chinese Restaurant Syndrome "absurdly racist"? If people were having health problems as a consequence of eating corned beef, I would, as a Jew, have no problem with that condition being called "Jewish Deli Syndrome".
1. Only small percentage of people was afflicted with physical symptoms.
2. These symptoms were vague and so variable that they had to refer to as "syndrome", rather than "symptom".
3. Ultimately, MSG allergy proved to be largely false.
4. MSG is found everywhere.
"Jewish Deli Syndrome" could be considered racist depending on the surrounding circumstance.
However, if there is set of ingredients that are unique to Jewish deli meat scientifically proven to cause problems for non-trivial percentage of population, then I would agree with you that it wouldn't (and shouldn't) be racist to call "Jewsih Deli Syndrome".
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry about that, from the wikipedia page on MSG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monosodium_glutamate#Safety The oral lethal dose to 50% of subjects (LD50) is between 15 to 18 g/kg body weight in rats and mice respectively, five times greater than the LD50 of salt (3 g/kg in rats). Which references: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10736380
You neglected to mention the very next line after the one you quote: >> Therefore, the intake of MSG as a food additive and the natural level of glutamic acid in foods do not represent a toxicological concern in humans.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry about that, from the wikipedia page on MSG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monosodium_glutamate#Safety The oral lethal dose to 50% of subjects (LD50) is between 15 to 18 g/kg body weight in rats and mice respectively, five times greater than the LD50 of salt (3 g/kg in rats). Which references: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10736380
Is the LD50 relevant in food except for stuff that is actually likely to kill people? The dangers aren't that anybody is going to have so much salt (or msg) in their body that it kills them like that.
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#20I really do not like these articles that say "science says not to worry, you must be a very stupid and uneducated person to be worried about this." Any honest scientist will tell you that science does not know exactly how the human body processes food and there is no model which will exactly predict the effects of the human body ingesting a certain food. Saying that the experimental results are mixed does not make me…