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Re: Why Cruise Ships are My Favorite Remote Work Location

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Post by hacker789 »

anu_gupta wrote: post #241
enko wrote: post #236

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Yeah, I'm not trying to make you like me. I was just trying to stick up for a community which I don't think is as malevolent as the GP proposed. FWIW, to be accused of misogyny is really offensive to me personally.

Have to say that you're not reacting particularly well to being "negged". is this usual outcome?

> not reacting particularly well

What makes you say that? He's not the one throwing names around. What would constitute "reacting well" in your book? Agreeing with you?

Re: Why Cruise Ships are My Favorite Remote Work Location

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Post by debaserab2 »

enko wrote: post #240
maxmcd wrote: post #234

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Neil Strauss's "The Game" is what cemented my nagative views about PUA's

Want to elaborate on this? For me that book shone a really bright light on a community, and its two types of citizens - the "wantrepreneurs" who would try to trick their way to success, and the really serious guys who changed their whole lives to succeed. I saw obvious parallels between them and the startup community. And, yes, I suppose, serial killers and any other community who wants to succeed. Curious as to what…

There's just not a lot redeeming about most "pick-up artist" type characters. They practice their craft by relying on automatic human behavior using borrowed stories, magic tricks, or flat-out lies to establish trust.

In my opinion, diluting a relationship down to scientific behaviors and applying that to your relationships is dehumanizing and disingenuous. I don't want to associate with people like that.

Re: Why Cruise Ships are My Favorite Remote Work Location

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Post by pjlegato »

e12e wrote: post #208
crusso wrote: post #158

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but I always feel very guilty every time I go, because I see firsthand how badly the staff are exploited You have to consider any situation holistically. What you call exploitation is often a tremendous improvement over the alternatives those folks have in their countries of origin. Go on the cruise, tip well, and be polite to staff.

> You have to consider any situation holistically. What you call exploitation is often a tremendous improvement over the alternatives those folks have in their countries of origin. To consider the situation holistically would mean to look at the global system of capitalism bootstrapped by years of outright colonization and exploitation that lead to the situation where doing low-skilled manual labour is considered an…

This is Armenian Radio. Caller asks us, what is difference between capitalism and socialism? We reply, under capitalism, man exploits man; under socialism, it's just the opposite.

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Post by hrjet »

jakejake wrote: post #192
levosmetalo wrote: post #163

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You realize that this "tipping culture" is not that prevalent outside the US? In many countries, especially in Europe, service and stuff is paid market wages, and there's no reason to tip by default, just when you are extremely satisfied with the service. Does the fact that I didn't know about "tipping culture" when I was first time in the US makes me an asshole?

Tipping and basic etiquette (particularly involving dining) is one of the fundamental bits of culture everyone should research when traveling to another country. If you are in the US and received good service, but left crappy or zero tips then yes, you definitely leave a negative impression of yourself. Nobody will understand why you left a bad tip or just think "oh, he's a foreigner, he doesn't understand." They wil…

I grew up reading Richard Feynman, and was particularly impressed by his dislike for tipping (both giving and receiving), because it matched my thoughts on it.

He was from the US, and I don't think he was being an ass-hole.

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Post by hacker789 »

mindcrime wrote: post #216
wpietri wrote: post #197

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Generalizing about groups can be problematic. However, not so when you're generalizing based on what the group has in common. The whole PUA thing is about manipulating vulnerable people so you can have sex with them. It's definitionally assholish. Assuming that a given PUA is an asshole is like assuming an Englishman speaks English. It's not a perfect correlation, but it's certainly the way to bet.

The whole PUA thing is about manipulating vulnerable people so you can have sex with them. No it isn't.

You're wrong.

Women aren't adults who can be held responsible for their own actions and decisions; they're vulnerable children who need to be protected at every turn.

If you (as a man) visit an Apple Store just to look around, and you walk out with a brand new laptop, you're a customer. You made a decision. Yes, Apple works very hard to maximize conversions, but you're an adult, and it's silly to shame and vilify Apple for "manipulating" a "vulnerable" man into buying their products.

However, if you (as a woman) choose to have sex with a man who reads tips about how to increase his chances of having sex, you're a vulnerable victim of manipulation. That mean, bad predator who took advantage of you needs to be shamed!

Western media is overflowing with tips for women to get what they want from men. And that's okay. :)

But if you're a man, don't you dare read tips about how to get what you want from women. That would be misogynist. You don't hate women, do you, mindcrime?

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Post by ceol »

patrickg_zill wrote: post #253
wpietri wrote: post #224

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Yeah. A fine example is this article about how a well-known pick-up artist upset that a country with good social welfare programs makes it harder for him to manipulate women into letting him fuck them: http://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/cockblocked-by-redist... Also, excellent analogy.

http://www.rooshv.com/katie-j-m-baker-purposefully-distorted... She didn't accurately quote from his book and may have mis-represented key quotes that she pulls from it.

> But the book never stated that the pussy flow was blocked in Denmark, just that there was low quality, masculine pussy.

He sure isn't helping his case. All of the random claims of "socialism" and "left-leaning" don't help, either.

In fact, none of his clarifications actually prove she misquoted him, and each time he quoted his book in that post, it fit exactly with the original review.

From his language (referring to women as "the pussy" instead of as, you know, actual people) to his extreme generalizations of women and cultures, it's apparent the original review was spot-on for both Roosh's book and PUA culture in general.

Re: Why Cruise Ships are My Favorite Remote Work Location

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Post by [deleted] »

hacker789 wrote: post #265
mindcrime wrote: post #216

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The whole PUA thing is about manipulating vulnerable people so you can have sex with them. No it isn't.

You're wrong. Women aren't adults who can be held responsible for their own actions and decisions; they're vulnerable children who need to be protected at every turn. If you (as a man) visit an Apple Store just to look around, and you walk out with a brand new laptop, you're a customer. You made a decision. Yes, Apple works very hard to maximize conversions, but you're an adult, and it's silly to shame and vilify App…

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Post by ceol »

mindcrime wrote: post #216
wpietri wrote: post #197

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Generalizing about groups can be problematic. However, not so when you're generalizing based on what the group has in common. The whole PUA thing is about manipulating vulnerable people so you can have sex with them. It's definitionally assholish. Assuming that a given PUA is an asshole is like assuming an Englishman speaks English. It's not a perfect correlation, but it's certainly the way to bet.

The whole PUA thing is about manipulating vulnerable people so you can have sex with them. No it isn't.

Yeah! It's about empowering socially awkward people who just have trouble holding conversations! That's why it's called "pick up artistry": because you're picking up conversations!

Wait...

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I honestly wonder how far up your ass your head has to be to completely ignore just how saturated the PUA community is with terms designed to objectify, marginalize, belittle, and disparage specifically women, and just how many of the highest regarded figureheads of the community are throbbing dickholes whose only goal in life is to find a modicum of self worth by pandering to the most cliche stereotype of traditional, toxic masculinity.

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Post by dragonwriter »

[deleted] wrote: post #267
hacker789 wrote: post #265

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You're wrong. Women aren't adults who can be held responsible for their own actions and decisions; they're vulnerable children who need to be protected at every turn. If you (as a man) visit an Apple Store just to look around, and you walk out with a brand new laptop, you're a customer. You made a decision. Yes, Apple works very hard to maximize conversions, but you're an adult, and it's silly to shame and vilify App…

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> Many are quick to label casual sex as misogynistic, but this implies that women are inferior to men and can't be trusted to make their own decisions and must be protected from themselves.

A community dedicated to developing, sharing, and applying methods to manipulate women into sex being considered misogynistic is not the same as casual sex being considered misogynistic.

Re: Why Cruise Ships are My Favorite Remote Work Location

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Post by ceol »

hacker789 wrote: post #259
skwirl wrote: post #235

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You're fedorable. For such an expert on human psychology, you are having an awfully hard time understanding why you are not being well received here. You don't seem to be able to figure out how to get a bunch of nerds like us to like you, which should be easier than women since you are like us, right? And you're doing a great job at digging a deeper hole.

"Not being well received here"? A handful of feminists are accusing him of hating women for wanting to be more attractive to women. Nothing's new. Just because people aren't standing up to a handful of feminist bullies ("fedorable"?) doesn't mean the community here doesn't like him. It just means that don't want to pick a fight.

I had to scroll all the way down here to see someone use the word "feminist" as a baseless insult. You guys need to step up your game.
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