“Remove occurrences of the short name of the Debian derivative from Canonical”
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Re: “Remove occurrences of the short name of the Debian derivative from Canonical”
#72Re: “Remove occurrences of the short name of the Debian derivative from Canonical”
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am talking about this instance where Joey Hess is suggesting Debian cannot use the trademark without risking trouble. I don't happen to agree with Canonical's behaviour in this respect, or believe it's enforceable.
He isn't suggesting Debian can't use Canonical's trademark, he's future-proofing/drawing attention to Canonical's newest fall from grace.
Re: “Remove occurrences of the short name of the Debian derivative from Canonical”
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just to be clear, Debian didn't do this, I did. And only, so far in one package, which can be used to mirror Debian or various of its derivatives.
Isn't 'Canonical' a trademark? Couldn't you just refer to it as DerivativeOS4 and then have a central reference table?
Here's how I understand Canadian trademark law. There will be commonalities and important differences with other jurisdictions.
In Canada, one cannot trade mark an existing dictionary word. One can trademark a representation of a word. Canonical being a dictionary word, it cannot be trademarked in Canada - but particular combinations of colour, font, background, images could be trademarked.
Ubuntu is also a dictionary word - just not in an English or French dictionary, the ones best known to CIPO (Canadian Intellectual Property Office) and its associated bits of the government.
So theoretically, one cannot trademark Ubuntu, the word. There are Canadian trademarks for representations of the word, but they have nothing to do with computers and Canonical.
Having said that, "novel" combinations of ordinary dictionary words can be trademarked. I never bothered to registered "EdgeKeep" and "Securing the Edge", but I marked them as trademarks - (TM) instead of (R) - everywhere I used them. Had there ever been a dispute, precedent would have been on my side, but I could have lost to deep pockets.
For example, Office cannot be trademarked as just a word, in most jurisdictions most of the time, but Microsoft Office can be.
My understanding is that some jurisdictions limit the dictionary word restriction to specific languages, but whether this is de jure or de facto (by law or by convention), I do not know.
So this gets complicated really quickly, because ubuntu and canonical are just words, Ubuntu and Canonical refer to specific products and companies, the U&C terms may be trademarkable in some jurisdictions but not all, and, in any case...
...if one needs to refer to Canonical the company, then one may, despite that word being potentially trademarked in one or more jurisdictions. Whether one may make as liberal reference to the products of that company is another question.
But IANAL, and even if I was, it might not matter until a judge spoke on this particular question, or a relevantly similar one.
Fun, eh?
PS I really, really like the idea of using "RestrictedDerivativeByCompany" instead of Ubuntu or Canonical, because it makes the point so much better in a sarcastic and humourous way. It makes all of the above moot, but when did mootness ever stop a good debate? :->
Re: “Remove occurrences of the short name of the Debian derivative from Canonical”
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't 'Canonical' a trademark? Couldn't you just refer to it as DerivativeOS4 and then have a central reference table?
That reference table would have to contain Canonical or Ubuntu, though.
Re: “Remove occurrences of the short name of the Debian derivative from Canonical”
#76I'm no Canonical apologist, but they do have a "intellectual property" document and are quite clear about what they deem acceptable and what they don't. They very specifically say you need permission in domains: "You will require Canonical’s permission to use ... any Trademark in a domain name or URL or for merchandising purposes." http://www.canonical.com/intellectual-property-policy
But I don't see anything wrong with protecting a trademark, within reason.
Re: “Remove occurrences of the short name of the Debian derivative from Canonical”
#77Curious, if anyone knows: how exactly are the square brackets in this line helping do anything that wouldn't be accomplished without them? /^[U][b][u][n][t][u]$/
Figured out the answer to my own question: it must be a silly/clever way to avoid having the literal string "Ubuntu" in the source.
Which I appreciate by the way.
Re: “Remove occurrences of the short name of the Debian derivative from Canonical”
#78Re: “Remove occurrences of the short name of the Debian derivative from Canonical”
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
http://www.icann.org/en/resources/compliance/complaints/ip/ > Complaints regarding trademark infringement due to website content and domain names are outside of ICANN's scope and authority. The only case where ICANN Has anything to say is in a case of domain squatting, which this isn't: although Canonical has a trademark interest in "Ubuntu", there's no violation since it's being used nominatively,and it's not being…
In that case Canonical have really shot themselves in the foot :)