A culture of beer and overtime

Post by smileysteve » Fri, Nov 08, 2013, 2:25 PM UTC

jarrett wrote: post #35

smileysteve wrote: post #6

You Were Fired. When you have contractor status, are brought into a meeting where they say you are underperforming, not committed, and turn deaf ears on however you try to justify yourself... and you end up leaving the company... you may have been fired. The biggest mistakes you made was a) still being a contractor b) not asking for severance if you would opt of of claiming unemployment on them.

> You Were Fired. I don't think you can fairly say a person was fired simply because s/he quit following a dispute with the boss. Maybe the person would have eventually been fired, had s/he not quit. But that's pure speculation. There's the cliched "you can't quit, you're fired"/"you can't fire me, I quit" scenario. I think the question of who terminated the relationship is less clear there. But that doesn't seem to…

Post by rmc » Fri, Nov 08, 2013, 2:34 PM UTC

jaf656s wrote: post #91

weixiyen wrote: post #89

At one of my first jobs, I resigned after about a year because I found a job that offered 2x as much in terms of salary. Director: "How much is the new place offering? We can match." I told him the number. Immediately his tone changed, and said I should take the other offer. I wanted to give a 2 week notice, which I thought was the norm, but he asked me to leave immediately and use up my remaining days as vacation da…

You were treated fairly. Bluntly but fairly. When you turn in your resignation, your notice is just an offer of a grace period. They are not obligated to take you up on your offer.

Post by rmc » Fri, Nov 08, 2013, 2:36 PM UTC

rjd wrote: post #49

cbryan wrote: post #11

What are good questions to ask during an interview to avoid situations like these? How are other people weeding out employers like this one? This sounds like a bad situation that I'm sure we'd all like to avoid.

Spending years as a short term on site contractor I've picked up one question I find invaluable. I always ask "what are the pain points you have to deal with" I've asked it so often and been in so many different teams I can more or less tell what the working environment and management will be like now. Generally they aren't expecting this question so you catch them flat footed and get a clear unfiltered emotional res…

Post by smileysteve » Fri, Nov 08, 2013, 2:37 PM UTC

jarrett wrote: post #35

smileysteve wrote: post #6

You Were Fired. When you have contractor status, are brought into a meeting where they say you are underperforming, not committed, and turn deaf ears on however you try to justify yourself... and you end up leaving the company... you may have been fired. The biggest mistakes you made was a) still being a contractor b) not asking for severance if you would opt of of claiming unemployment on them.

> You Were Fired. I don't think you can fairly say a person was fired simply because s/he quit following a dispute with the boss. Maybe the person would have eventually been fired, had s/he not quit. But that's pure speculation. There's the cliched "you can't quit, you're fired"/"you can't fire me, I quit" scenario. I think the question of who terminated the relationship is less clear there. But that doesn't seem to…

Post by [deleted] » Fri, Nov 08, 2013, 2:47 PM UTC

laughfactory wrote: post #72

Dude, I feel ya. And thanks for sharing. I'm not (yet) a developer (though that is my long game), but I have run into similar situations in data science. I had an idiot boss (boss of my immediate boss) who sat around all day with his feet on his desk, staring off into space, but demanded that we all work 60-ish hours a week. And this was at a bank, where the standard was 40 and they made a lot of noise about their su…