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Starship Troopers: one of the most misunderstood movies ever

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Re: Starship Troopers: one of the most misunderstood movies ever

#101

I don't get it. Very much at the beginning of the movie a paraplegic army recruiter proudly proclaims: "Mobile infantry made me the man I am today." How can anyone take that at face value?

As satire the brilliant part about that, and a few of the other really shocking things like the drill sergeant beating up a new recruit to establish himself as head of the pack, or the whipping, is that it's lifted fairly directly from the book. A subset of the fans of the book get mad because the violence and fascism seemed so much cooler in their heads. Other fans recognize that Heinlein's books were to some degree…

The problem I had with the movie is that it took a well thought out book and reduced it to hollywood stereotype.

For example, later on in the book and the movie, a recruit asks why they learn to throw knives when guns make them obsolete. In the book, the sergeant gives an explanation of tradition and admits that knife throwing is a fairly useless skill for mobile gundam suit pilots. In the movie, the sergeant just throws the knife at the cadet's hand. Towards the end of the book it's revealed that drill sergeants are carefully screened not to be sadistic jerks, but to actually be decent people who are carefully calculating the best way to train their cadets.

The book was well thought out. The movie was just stereotype and mockery.

Re: Starship Troopers: one of the most misunderstood movies ever

#102
post #62

I don't get why people wouldn't see it. At the beginning it has a speech about the failure of democracy, how violence is the only legitimate force in the universe. Government by an elite, with restricted rights for civilians (want children? become a citizen), a propaganda network, a perpetual state of war; including belittling the enemy ("I find the idea of a bug that thinks offensive") and belittling anyone who want…

It had Doogie Howser wearing a Nazi uniform for gawdsakes!

Re: Starship Troopers: one of the most misunderstood movies ever

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just a different story; the book has some political points to make which, I think, the movie is trying to directly rebut. Feels a bit tasteless to use the book license for this purpose, to me, but then again I'm a Heinlein fan and I thought Robocop was dumb. One of the big issues in the book is that patriotism isn't just a rhetorical trick to get naive young boys to volunteer for a meatgrinder (though of cou…

Multiple sources I've come across over the years have claimed that the movie started out as an original property and only became an "adaptation" of Starship Troopers shortly before it went into production, when the studio realized they had an option on Heinlein's book and that it was sorta-kinda similar. (This is much the same thing as what happened to the movie I, Robot, which started out as an unrelated script, I b…

I would actually like to watch that!

Re: Starship Troopers: one of the most misunderstood movies ever

#104
post #62

I don't get why people wouldn't see it. At the beginning it has a speech about the failure of democracy, how violence is the only legitimate force in the universe. Government by an elite, with restricted rights for civilians (want children? become a citizen), a propaganda network, a perpetual state of war; including belittling the enemy ("I find the idea of a bug that thinks offensive") and belittling anyone who want…

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Re: Starship Troopers: one of the most misunderstood movies ever

#105
I always saw it as satire, as I'm on&from the eastern side of the Atlantic the references to facism was unavoidable.

The thing is that it's stopped being satire after 9/11. Just replace "bugs" with "islamists" and it becomes depressingly prophetic. I end up thinking of Pat Tillman every time I see the mobile infantry.

Re: Starship Troopers: one of the most misunderstood movies ever

#106
post #88

Odds are that, if you read the book first, you'll probably hate the movie. They really are totally different. Personally, I don't believe fidelity to the source is necessary for an adaptation to be successful. Plenty of films have been made that are slaves to the source and are terrible as a result! Great films are often made from bad books, so why can't great films just be different from the great books they're base…

> Great films are often made from bad books

People never believe me when I bring up Shrek as an example of this.

Re: Starship Troopers: one of the most misunderstood movies ever

#107
When I saw it, the thing that shocked me the most was that the people around me just didn't get it. I came out of the theatre (Manns Chinese in Hollywood) dumb-founded at the snippets of conversation I heard that revealed that, honestly, kids just didn't get that the target of the satire was them.

I wasn't prepared for the enlightenment that this movie gave me. I came to realize that we were living in the exact world that the movie depicts - teenage morons controlled by masters of jingo'ism, sending their sons and daughters off to fight in totally senseless, pointless wars.

It was shocking to me that, while I was able to see that it was a political statement masquerading as sci-fi, the kids only saw it as 'dumb sci-fi'. What was going on, I wondered to myself, that there are people who really just do not get it?

That question was answered a few years afterwards, on 9/11. I'll never forget the wide-eyed enthusiasm of an 18-year old I met in the days afterwards, who was preparing his life to sign up and go to war. It reminded me precisely of that movie, and that frankly scared the hell out of me.

I'm glad that this is getting some attention now, but I fear its too late. Too many kids grew up thinking that war was good for them and good for society, and it was the only option they had for employment, after all, so why not ..

Re: Starship Troopers: one of the most misunderstood movies ever

#108
post #62

I don't get why people wouldn't see it. At the beginning it has a speech about the failure of democracy, how violence is the only legitimate force in the universe. Government by an elite, with restricted rights for civilians (want children? become a citizen), a propaganda network, a perpetual state of war; including belittling the enemy ("I find the idea of a bug that thinks offensive") and belittling anyone who want…

I don't think people got it, simply because it hit far too close to home. The message in the film and the message in the media at the time were too closely aligned.

"Would you like to know more?" was Fox News. The movie presaged an age where knowing more actually meant: "knowing only what we want you to know" ..

Re: Starship Troopers: one of the most misunderstood movies ever

#109
post #62

I don't get why people wouldn't see it. At the beginning it has a speech about the failure of democracy, how violence is the only legitimate force in the universe. Government by an elite, with restricted rights for civilians (want children? become a citizen), a propaganda network, a perpetual state of war; including belittling the enemy ("I find the idea of a bug that thinks offensive") and belittling anyone who want…

It had Doogie Howser wearing a Nazi uniform for gawdsakes!

In hindsight, I should have seen it for the terrifying homogenization of fascism that is the norm today.

Re: Starship Troopers: one of the most misunderstood movies ever

#110

I'd like to like Starship Troopers more but I can't. Starship Troopers had a couple smart things to say but said it through a shit movie. Turgid dialog, horrible acting, repugnant characters and general cheesiness. I know the writers wanted to say all these people are idiots but society doesn't go astray because everyone is an idiot – you have to show how smart characters are caught in situations that constrain them…

>Turgid dialog, horrible acting, repugnant characters and general cheesiness.

Sorry, but this is American politics today. In that sense, the movie scored big.

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