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Starship Troopers: one of the most misunderstood movies ever

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Re: Starship Troopers: one of the most misunderstood movies ever

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After reading this, watch Robocop again. Same director, same critique on society. Really adds another layer to it.

My memories are hazy, but Robocop felt very different. It did not criticize the establishment (i.e. the police) very much. In fact, the main character was a cop who got fatally wounded by "the bad guys" and then was resurrected as a badass robot and delivered sweet payback.

Most of the satirical elements in Robocop were directed at corporations.

Re: Starship Troopers: one of the most misunderstood movies ever

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I'm surprised the author never even mentions the book by Robert Heinlein. Granted the movie tells a different story than the book but they share the similarity in that on the surface they both preach of the virtues and nobility of war but upon closer inspection, we see that they're telling a different story entirely.

"The screenplay, by Robocop writer Edward Neumeier, furnished the old-fashioned science-fiction framework of Robert A. Heinlein’s notoriously militaristic novel with archetypes on loan from teen soaps and young adult-fiction, undermining the self-serious saber-rattling of the source text."

Although I haven't read the novel, it would be most meta irony if the article's author was missing the book's subtle societal criticism.

Re: Starship Troopers: one of the most misunderstood movies ever

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After reading this, watch Robocop again. Same director, same critique on society. Really adds another layer to it.

Robocop is even more over the top. One of the first scenes in Robocop is a guy being eviscerated with bullets in a board room meeting and one of the businessmen says "That's life in the big city!".

It's just dripping with satire.

Re: Starship Troopers: one of the most misunderstood movies ever

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Another unsung layer to this movie is just how well it ties into key influences on Heinlein prior to his writing the novel. The novel itself is heavily influenced by WWII wartime military and popular culture, and roots its social thought experiments in that context. The movie turns this into visual leverage, weaving together elements from WWII era propaganda films and Hollywood's subsequent decades of iconography of that era.

Re: Starship Troopers: one of the most misunderstood movies ever

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I'm surprised the author never even mentions the book by Robert Heinlein. Granted the movie tells a different story than the book but they share the similarity in that on the surface they both preach of the virtues and nobility of war but upon closer inspection, we see that they're telling a different story entirely.

I don't know about that. Heinlein seems pretty keen on his notion of citizenship through military service, albeit perhaps as a means of preventing "unnecessary" wars rather than enabling them. Either way, it's a pretty terrible political philosophy.

That aspect of serious advocacy is completely absent from the movie.

Re: Starship Troopers: one of the most misunderstood movies ever

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After reading this, watch Robocop again. Same director, same critique on society. Really adds another layer to it.

My memories are hazy, but Robocop felt very different. It did not criticize the establishment (i.e. the police) very much. In fact, the main character was a cop who got fatally wounded by "the bad guys" and then was resurrected as a badass robot and delivered sweet payback. Most of the satirical elements in Robocop were directed at corporations.

Watch it again.. the bad guys are not some random street thugs, it is OCP, a mega corporation that produces the robots and is essentially a government organization (since that world is a "corporatocracy").

Re: Starship Troopers: one of the most misunderstood movies ever

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After reading this, watch Robocop again. Same director, same critique on society. Really adds another layer to it.

My memories are hazy, but Robocop felt very different. It did not criticize the establishment (i.e. the police) very much. In fact, the main character was a cop who got fatally wounded by "the bad guys" and then was resurrected as a badass robot and delivered sweet payback. Most of the satirical elements in Robocop were directed at corporations.

yes it did critize the police. In Robocop,police officers are just cannon fodder for fabricated street wars set by big business. In fact corps own the police,the media,the city,politics and gang bangers are hired as "consultants".

Re: Starship Troopers: one of the most misunderstood movies ever

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The screenplay, by Robocop writer Edward Neumeier, furnished the old-fashioned science-fiction framework of Robert A. Heinlein’s notoriously militaristic novel with archetypes on loan from teen soaps and young adult-fiction, undermining the self-serious saber-rattling of the source text."

Although I haven't read the novel, it would be most meta irony if the article's author was missing the book's subtle societal criticism.

The novel is really short. It's good, I enjoy Heinlein's writing anyway.

He lays out an interesting model for democracy, but it depends critically on permanent war.

It has been a long time since i read the book, but i think the author gives it a fair shake. Nothing really screams unfair representation to me.

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