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Re: Slackware 14.1 is released

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I know that this is no way of judging a distribution - which never had a decent package manager as far as I know - but all the assholes, hacker-wannabes from my early IRC era (1999-2004) were pompously bragging about how elite they were using slackware. I know many of you find that behavior childish but I'm 100% others encountered the same behavior as I did. I never knew if it was the founders/dev's (I think was only…

As others have pointed out, Slackware does indeed have an excellent package manager and even slackbuilds, a package depository of sorts. The slackware package manager does not do dependency checking, however. I see this as a good thing because I've broken things by compiling from source on Debian. Slackbuilds is quite helpful and provides most needed dependencies for you to compile first.

>I never knew if it was the founders/dev's (I think was only 1 at the time) own attitude but seriously, slackware attracted idiots like honey bees.

There's still only one and he's fairly hands off when it comes to the community. No one hears much from Pat and he does what he and his small team wants. So it's not the founder that's driving that attitude. I've actually found the slackware community to be one of the most open and helpful around. Check their forums and linuxquestions.org.

Re: Slackware 14.1 is released

#25
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Slackware is irrelevant and outdated. No package manager. No net install. Give me one reason to use it instead of Arch or Debian.

In case you are not trolling:

1. Everything is as close to the upstream package as possible. Debian maintainers sometimes heavily modify their packages and that makes finding help difficult. Slackware rarely changes their packages or only does if necessary.

2. Package manager does not do dependency checking. This makes installing packages from source easier because I don't have to worry about breaking the system when compiling. If something breaks, it's easy to know what to roll back.

3. Good for understanding the innards of Linux. There are no distro specific config tools or non-standard setups. Packages may come with them, but they are standard and well documented. Good way to understand what's going on.

EDIT: I thought of one more:

4. Documentation. Patrick's documentation is great. If you have no other tools, you could get Slackware setup just reading his documents.

All said, Slackware is a throwback to when distros were just a quick way to get a Linux system running, not OSes in and of themselves. If you took each piece and compiled it yourself, you'd get Slackware. That's pretty cool.

But seriously, that's the beauty of Linux. You go ahead and use Arch or Debian. Absolutely no one is going to stop you. But someone using Slackware has zero negative effect on you.

Re: Slackware 14.1 is released

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post #6

I know that this is no way of judging a distribution - which never had a decent package manager as far as I know - but all the assholes, hacker-wannabes from my early IRC era (1999-2004) were pompously bragging about how elite they were using slackware. I know many of you find that behavior childish but I'm 100% others encountered the same behavior as I did. I never knew if it was the founders/dev's (I think was only…

there will always be idiots. there will always be people catching on to something, being loud, creating the first noise other people see. Seriously. Fuck it. Ignore it. Ignore them. I haven't followed Slackware dev for 10+ years (too old etc), but it was the awesome thing in the 90s (to me); at a time I was curious to learn about all the weird details, it gave me the opportunity, I hope it still does give that opport…

Amen. I can't believe what people do for free, and that OSS has taken off at all. While there's room in this world for all kinds, my soul dies a little when someone comments, "wow, kids these days are so smart with computers!" While they watch them install iPhoto off the App Store.

It's not true, but there will always be awesome people with awesome ideas and be willing to share them with the community. It's like http://bedrocklinux.org/ Damned if I need to use it, but it's awesome that someone is pushing boundaries like that. Or CoreOS, or Docker, or Debian, or Sugar (OLPC)... It just goes on. Be a hacker, and enjoy life. Loud people are everywhere, but it's the quiet ones in the corner doing the cool work.

Re: Slackware 14.1 is released

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post #19

Slackware is irrelevant and outdated. No package manager. No net install. Give me one reason to use it instead of Arch or Debian.

Last 3-4 Slackware releases I installed over the net. It supports FTP and HTTP package sources on the Internet. Or NFS and SMB shares on the LAN.

Re: Slackware 14.1 is released

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

there will always be idiots. there will always be people catching on to something, being loud, creating the first noise other people see. Seriously. Fuck it. Ignore it. Ignore them. I haven't followed Slackware dev for 10+ years (too old etc), but it was the awesome thing in the 90s (to me); at a time I was curious to learn about all the weird details, it gave me the opportunity, I hope it still does give that opport…

Amen. I can't believe what people do for free, and that OSS has taken off at all. While there's room in this world for all kinds, my soul dies a little when someone comments, "wow, kids these days are so smart with computers!" While they watch them install iPhoto off the App Store. It's not true, but there will always be awesome people with awesome ideas and be willing to share them with the community. It's like http…

For example, if you would like your system to be mostly stable and unchanging, like Debian or a Red Hat Enterprise Linux clone, but would like access to cutting-edge packages from Arch, Bedrock Linux can provide this simultaneously and transparently.

Does... not... compute. If you want your system to be stable and unchanging, why would you care about the most cutting-edge packages? Those are the buggy ones, the reason Arch was always breaking my libraries or fucking up GRUB. Debian stable is stable because the packages in it have been tested as they made their way through "unstable" and "testing". If you want cutting-edge Debian packages, you run "testing"--that's basically the Arch experience, down to the periodic fuckups.

Re: Slackware 14.1 is released

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Usually people are skeptical about Slackware package manager (slackpkg). I thought I'd just throw in some links to alternatives. If you want to try another package manager you can install it and start using it in under one minute. Package manager is a package just like any other :)

One is slapt-get [0], supports third party repos, resolves dependencies if you use it with repos that have dependency metadata, if you really really must :) Salix repos are a nice source of extra packages, and have dependency metadata. You'll have to wait a bit for them to upgrade to 14.1.

Another nice package manager is slackroll[1]. This one doesn't do dependencies, but has other nice options.

For slackuilds (build script repo, like BSD ports) you can use sbopkg [2] or sport [3], both are nice.

Have fun.

[0] http://software.jaos.org/#slapt-get [1] http://rg3.github.io/slackroll/ [2] http://sbopkg.org/ [3] http://slackermedia.info/sport/

UPDATE: I think there's a lot more to a distro than just a package manager, and these tools might help someone. Of course you'll probably get most stuff you need out of the box, some others from slackbuilds.org.

Slackware pkgtools (installpkg, upgradepkg, removepkg) are really simple, manpage for each is under 2 screens of text, and they really get out of the way, and never betray you.

Further, init system is classic sysvinit with rc style scripts in /etc/rc.d and it supports normal SysV scripts like other distros, in /etc/init.d. No pulseaudio out of the box (it's available on slackbuilds.org if you want it). You can disable NetworkManager and install WICD from /extra in no time, and it's not gonna magically re-enable itself later.

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