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Re: Microsoft Brings Real-Time Collaboration To Free Office Web Apps

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Post by nailer »

blackoil wrote: post #25
iamshs wrote: post #19

It is free? MS released their main product for free? Unbelievable. Their must be some catch here or I am missing something, either functional restrictions or buying a skydrive account. Well, looking forward to trying this out. Potential to be big in academic environments, especially with formatting fidelity.

It was always free, these are just webapps not the desktop Office 365 which is their main product. But it competes favorably against google docs.

Recent features it got were 'the ability to edit footnotes'. Its tablet functionality, when last checked, tried to download an .exe file onto Silverlight.

Office 365 does not compete at all against Google docs.

Re: Microsoft Brings Real-Time Collaboration To Free Office Web Apps

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Post by rahoulb »

Toshio wrote: post #26

I cringe at the thought that some people consider this to be startup-relevant news (or even hacker-relevant news, for that matter). I flagged this submission, I hope the usual complainers understand why. If you don't, by all means, please elaborate.

Not relevant if your startup never deals with any other companies; a huge number of which work entirely in MS Office.

Re: Microsoft Brings Real-Time Collaboration To Free Office Web Apps

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Post by killme2 »

DanBC wrote: post #35
Toshio wrote: post #26

I cringe at the thought that some people consider this to be startup-relevant news (or even hacker-relevant news, for that matter). I flagged this submission, I hope the usual complainers understand why. If you don't, by all means, please elaborate.

> I flagged this submission, I hope the usual complainers understand why. Perhaps you could explain why you think this is flag-worthy? I could understand that you might find it unimportant, or dull. But you've flagged it, and declared that you flagged it, which suggests you have some strongly negative feeling toward it appearing here. I'd be interested to see where you'd put this on a scale with all the other stories…

Well, a glance at the first few pages of Toshio's comments on Microsoft should explain the real intentions here which seem to be quite different from the stated reason of 'it doesn't belong on HN'.

https://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/comments&q=toshio+mi...

Not to mention that the HN guidelines clearly state that if you have flagged a story, don't also post that you've flagged it.

I guess the comment's goal is to turn the conversation into a flamewar so that the flamewar detector takes the story off front page, and to derail the comments away from the story at hand. And looks like the ploy is working, this is the biggest thread in the story comments.

Re: Microsoft Brings Real-Time Collaboration To Free Office Web Apps

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Post by xerophtye »

Toshio wrote: post #26

I cringe at the thought that some people consider this to be startup-relevant news (or even hacker-relevant news, for that matter). I flagged this submission, I hope the usual complainers understand why. If you don't, by all means, please elaborate.

You really have something against Microsoft don't you? It's kind of weird that from the dozens of posts that appear on HN on a daily basis, most(more than 80%) of your comments are on posts about Microsoft or nokia. (and even when the post isn't about them, your comment is).

Oh and you actually do submit stuff about Microsoft, but they are all Anti-Microsoft posts. (do elaborate how THAT equates to startup-relevant)

As much as we hate shills who just blatantly support brands for no good reason, we also hate people who blatantly hate companies for no good reasons. HN is a place for reasonable debate. If you think Some big player did something right, you praise them. If you think they made a mistake, you point it out and discuss why it is a bad move on their part. But why the pure hatred?

Re: Microsoft Brings Real-Time Collaboration To Free Office Web Apps

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Post by xerophtye »

Toshio wrote: post #28
skrebbel wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree, but then the same should hold for all the 'samsung beats apple in the cell phone market' nonsense.

I don't follow the Samsung-vs-Apple news, so I don't understand its relevance to the topic at hand.

But you do follow news regarding Nokia don't you?

Re: Microsoft Brings Real-Time Collaboration To Free Office Web Apps

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Post by DanBC »

codeka wrote: post #39
Toshio wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "strongly negative feeling toward it appearing here" This isn't about feelings, I'm just adding a data point to HN ranking algorithm. The reason I enjoy being on HN is because of this community's mindset of "let's disrupt the big, established, old players". Seen from that angle, this submission is irrelevant because it's not about disrupting a big player, it's about perpetuating a harmful monopoly.

But how can you expect to "disrupt the big, established, old players" if you're closing your eyes to what they're actually doing?

It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle. -- widely attributed to Sun Tzu

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sun_Tzu#Ch._3

Re: Microsoft Brings Real-Time Collaboration To Free Office Web Apps

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Post by Toshio »

xerophtye wrote: post #44
Toshio wrote: post #26

I cringe at the thought that some people consider this to be startup-relevant news (or even hacker-relevant news, for that matter). I flagged this submission, I hope the usual complainers understand why. If you don't, by all means, please elaborate.

You really have something against Microsoft don't you? It's kind of weird that from the dozens of posts that appear on HN on a daily basis, most(more than 80%) of your comments are on posts about Microsoft or nokia. (and even when the post isn't about them, your comment is). Oh and you actually do submit stuff about Microsoft, but they are all Anti-Microsoft posts. (do elaborate how THAT equates to startup-relevant)…

> "most(more than 80%) of your comments are on [...]"

I'm impressed.

You really took the time to perform an in-depth study of my submission/comment history, even figured out the 80% stat.

Slightly creepy but well-researched, kudos.

Re: Microsoft Brings Real-Time Collaboration To Free Office Web Apps

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Post by iamshs »

sz4kerto wrote: post #24
iamshs wrote: post #19

It is free? MS released their main product for free? Unbelievable. Their must be some catch here or I am missing something, either functional restrictions or buying a skydrive account. Well, looking forward to trying this out. Potential to be big in academic environments, especially with formatting fidelity.

> functional restrictions The online Office suite has much less functionality compared to desktop versions. The most loyal Office users are not the people who write 2 page long documents. For example think of a bank who has completely customized Excel so it displays real-time market data. Now that's where you _need_ the full suite.

Will try it out to see what is missing and if it is suitable for my use case.

Re: Microsoft Brings Real-Time Collaboration To Free Office Web Apps

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Post by nailer »

nailer wrote: post #41
blackoil wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was always free, these are just webapps not the desktop Office 365 which is their main product. But it competes favorably against google docs.

Recent features it got were 'the ability to edit footnotes'. Its tablet functionality, when last checked, tried to download an .exe file onto Silverlight. Office 365 does not compete at all against Google docs.

... 'an .exe file onto an iPad', ahem.
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