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Silk Road 2.0 Launches

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Re: Silk Road 2.0 Launches

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Post by dcposch »

gasull wrote: post #15
andrewljohnson wrote: post #3

I'd never buy heroin from a website, but I see the Silk Road as cyber-civil-disobedience, and I hope the persona of DPR and the site itself are as unsinkable as they claim. The drug war is a ghastly thing, and the number of people we lock up in the US is more shameful than our foreign policy. You can begrudge the first DPR his lame security, shady murder contracts, and ill-gotten fortune, but he's the product of our…

The current DPR is allegedly the third one, and the one in jail is the second, as he said in an interview with Forbes.

This one's the Fed Pirate Roberts :p

The way this site launched so soon after the original was shut down--with the same name, same styling, even the same "Dread Pirate Roberts" moniker--makes me very suspicious.

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Post by consonants »

daughart wrote: post #68
consonants wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of the most irresponsible things I've ever read.

Why?

Seriously? You don't think that sending a schedule I substance to an unknowing stranger through the mail and across state lines isn't irresponsible? Are you going to valiantly turn yourself in if your neighbors get raided?

If you get drugs shipped to your house, they will charge and probably convict you. Doesn't mean it would hold up in an appeal, but why would you risk an innocent's life, freedom, finances, and social standing just to order drugs off the internet?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berwyn_Heights,_Maryland_mayor...

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Post by jlgreco »

pizza234 wrote: post #159
lem72 wrote: post #155

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But the Mom and Pop shop can now be anonymous and the evil druglord will have a hard time finding them since they can't go torture the street dealers that peddle Mom&Popshop & Co drugs.

There is no certainty of anonymity, especially in Mexico, for two reasons. First, drug cartels have very easily control of the IT infrastructures, and second, they now employ hackers exactly to keep the internet information under control. They've killed several bloggers already, and you can be sure they thought they were anonymous.

Why would mom and pop want to base out of Mexico?

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Post by spikels »

pizza234 wrote: post #159
lem72 wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the Mom and Pop shop can now be anonymous and the evil druglord will have a hard time finding them since they can't go torture the street dealers that peddle Mom&Popshop & Co drugs.

There is no certainty of anonymity, especially in Mexico, for two reasons. First, drug cartels have very easily control of the IT infrastructures, and second, they now employ hackers exactly to keep the internet information under control. They've killed several bloggers already, and you can be sure they thought they were anonymous.

The cartels can employ all the hackers and torture all the bloggers they want but it will still be very hard to find sellers on SilkRoad. You will need to break Tor, trace BitCoins, trace deliveries, or trick sellers. This takes national or even international resources (NSA, FBI, Interpol, etc.). And they will have to do this in the US and Europe not Mexico.

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Post by bionsuba »

yeukhon wrote: post #169
nekopa wrote: post #143

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An honest question: Why not?

1. I am against illegal drugs. It is up to the society to have a consent whether x drug should be legal or not. For example, marijuana. 2. Liability and safety. It's safer to assume your pharmacist is giving the right drug and the right amount and the right quality. I am all for reducing the cost and I think we should lower the cost whenever possible, but getting through silk road because it's cheaper/easier to get d…

> It is up to the society

What is this society that you refer to. Surely it can be the people of the nation, because only 30%-ish of the population votes, so the majority can't be said to be in agreement (I also never recall a nation wide vote on the legality of drugs). Are you referring to politicians' decisions? They are an even smaller part of the overall population and don't even represent the people that they are said to (Money in politics etc). Plus, even if 99% of the entire population were to decide that these drugs are dangerous, why is it then ok to violently stop the 1% from doing something that only harms themselves? If that is just, would it the be ok if 51% of people decided that all soda was dangerous and banned that too? What about cheese burgers, we, as a society, have to stop obesity right? What about cars, which kill more people than drugs ever will?

The idea of the morality of democracy is just another version of the might makes right argument.

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Post by dragonwriter »

bionsuba wrote: post #175
yeukhon wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. I am against illegal drugs. It is up to the society to have a consent whether x drug should be legal or not. For example, marijuana. 2. Liability and safety. It's safer to assume your pharmacist is giving the right drug and the right amount and the right quality. I am all for reducing the cost and I think we should lower the cost whenever possible, but getting through silk road because it's cheaper/easier to get d…

> It is up to the society What is this society that you refer to. Surely it can be the people of the nation, because only 30%-ish of the population votes, so the majority can't be said to be in agreement (I also never recall a nation wide vote on the legality of drugs). Are you referring to politicians' decisions? They are an even smaller part of the overall population and don't even represent the people that they ar…

> because only 30%-ish of the population votes,

The choice to let other people choose for you is still a choice.

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Post by [deleted] »

oscilloscope wrote: post #161

Senator Tom Carper's statement on the launch: “This new website – launched barely a month after Federal agents shut down the original Silk Road -- underscores the inescapable reality that technology is dynamic and ever-evolving and that government policy needs to adapt accordingly. Rather than play ‘whack-a-mole’ with the latest website, currency, or other method criminals are using in an effort to evade the law, we…

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Post by natural219 »

oscilloscope wrote: post #161

Senator Tom Carper's statement on the launch: “This new website – launched barely a month after Federal agents shut down the original Silk Road -- underscores the inescapable reality that technology is dynamic and ever-evolving and that government policy needs to adapt accordingly. Rather than play ‘whack-a-mole’ with the latest website, currency, or other method criminals are using in an effort to evade the law, we…

This scares me more than reassures me. Given the US government's history of response to questions like these, I suspect this message will get through, minus the "without stifling innovation" part.

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Post by [deleted] »

nickles wrote: post #78
jarrett wrote: post #53

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> considering that the sellers might be cops Why wouldn't law enforcement pose as buyers, as well? This is a common tactic in narcotics enforcement. Entrapment often isn't an issue, as the seller took the first step of advertising the drugs for sale. Are you getting at the fact that the buyer must have a receiving address, while the seller can ship anonymously? I would be skeptical of that. If I were attempting to tr…

This is what made Kaczynski (the Unabomber) so difficult to track. IIRC, he would travel for a few hours (by bus) to a town and deposit his packages in a mailbox there [citation needed]. This made it difficult to track him, since the origin of the package didn't leak any information about the sender. For sellers, proper OPSec requires that they do not leave fingerprints in/on the package, that mailing locations are r…

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Re: Silk Road 2.0 Launches

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Post by drcube »

tslathrow wrote: post #121
corin_ wrote: post #30

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Are you saying heroin specifically because you do buy it but not from websites, or because some drugs you'd trust to a website (regardless of whether you personally buy them or not) but heroin not, or were you just naming a random drug?

I will never understand why Silk Road is easier than just hitting up your dealer

Finding psychedelics in the Midwest is impossible. I can swing a dead cat and find all the heroin you could ever want though. Supply and demand doesn't work so well on the black market. Which makes an online brokerage pretty enticing.
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