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Top global IT firms have more staff in India than home nations

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Re: Top global IT firms have more staff in India than home nations

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Post by nailer »

gopalv wrote: post #9

How this is a big surprise? If the man you're looking for is one in a million, we've probably got a thousand of them for you to pick from. But I think there needs to be a defense made about cheap indian labour & why it works for american firms (more than the french or germans). I'm sitting in Bangalore right now and I can see why this happened. We all speak English, we grew up watching Simpsons and can quote Friends…

> And the vast numbers are because there are a lot of bad engineers.

> On top of that my college had an FSF chapter, I volunteered there for 2 months after college and spent 2 years on an open-source project.

Awesome re: FSF chapter and Open Source. If more Indian programmers did things like this (as well as start disruptive businesses) to show they're passionate about software, rather than wanting to be an engineer because it's a "respectable profession" Indian programming would be on the up and up and the world would be better for it.

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Post by xradionut »

mschaef wrote: post #8
cs702 wrote: post #5

Companies like IBM are "American" only in the sense that (1) legally they are domiciled in a US state such as, say, Delaware; (2) physically they are headquartered in or near a major US airport; and (3) their shares are listed in a US stock exchange. In most other ways, these companies transcend national boundaries. For example, many of them book a substantial portion of revenues through complex networks of "offshore…

Accenture is technically "Irish". It used to be "Bermudan". In either case, they have so many employees in so many countries, it's hard to imagine pinning them down to a single home country.

Us old timers remember them as "Andersen Consulting", the folks that got paid by our C-levels to drive the company into the ground...

Re: Top global IT firms have more staff in India than home nations

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Post by eriksank »

India would have the talent and the headcount to be anything it wanted to be, if it were not for the one missing ingredient: the ability to leave people's freedom alone. Many of factories in China would now be in India. Larry Page is in the market for another location. Mark Zuckerberg undoubtedly too. If India painstakingly managed to develop the ability to rein in their paperwork kingdom, the so-called "license Raj", Silicon Valley would have moved there a long time ago already. Until now, India just can't. It is simply impossible to reduce the incessant harassments of their bureaucracy. They will terrorize everybody. At the same time nobody else will ever agree to put up with them and be terrorized. They will not move there. They will keep flying out the Indians instead.

Re: Top global IT firms have more staff in India than home nations

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Post by b0rka »

eriksank wrote: post #14

India would have the talent and the headcount to be anything it wanted to be, if it were not for the one missing ingredient: the ability to leave people's freedom alone. Many of factories in China would now be in India. Larry Page is in the market for another location. Mark Zuckerberg undoubtedly too. If India painstakingly managed to develop the ability to rein in their paperwork kingdom, the so-called "license Raj"…

The bureaucracy has indeed scared away a lot of foreign interest in the country.

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Post by mathattack »

cs702 wrote: post #5

Companies like IBM are "American" only in the sense that (1) legally they are domiciled in a US state such as, say, Delaware; (2) physically they are headquartered in or near a major US airport; and (3) their shares are listed in a US stock exchange. In most other ways, these companies transcend national boundaries. For example, many of them book a substantial portion of revenues through complex networks of "offshore…

Yes - they are very much multinationals both in customers and employees. I think the true sense of their being American (and this does include Accenture) is that is where they were founded, and did much of their early growth.

Re: Top global IT firms have more staff in India than home nations

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Post by wil421 »

gopalv wrote: post #9

How this is a big surprise? If the man you're looking for is one in a million, we've probably got a thousand of them for you to pick from. But I think there needs to be a defense made about cheap indian labour & why it works for american firms (more than the french or germans). I'm sitting in Bangalore right now and I can see why this happened. We all speak English, we grew up watching Simpsons and can quote Friends…

> Most of us spoke English as a first language (at least as good as one), nearly all of us bilingual (and not in the same languages) who were used to our English being misunderstood.

I have to disagree I find that a lot of people from India do not pronounce the syllables in the way that a native speaker does.

Re: Top global IT firms have more staff in India than home nations

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Post by eitally »

wil421 wrote: post #18
gopalv wrote: post #9

How this is a big surprise? If the man you're looking for is one in a million, we've probably got a thousand of them for you to pick from. But I think there needs to be a defense made about cheap indian labour & why it works for american firms (more than the french or germans). I'm sitting in Bangalore right now and I can see why this happened. We all speak English, we grew up watching Simpsons and can quote Friends…

> Most of us spoke English as a first language (at least as good as one), nearly all of us bilingual (and not in the same languages) who were used to our English being misunderstood. I have to disagree I find that a lot of people from India do not pronounce the syllables in the way that a native speaker does.

No kidding, and even if they speak English as a "first language", the cultural upbringing often makes more get lost in translation than in communication with, say, Mexicans who have a much worse grasp of English but much more in common with US culture.

Re: Top global IT firms have more staff in India than home nations

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Post by nish1500 »

It is the Indian mindset to solve every problem by hiring more people. Thanks to the shitload of cheap, unskilled engineers, this dream is economical. A friend had contracted one such company to overhaul his website. He has been co-ordinating with 4 - 5 people in the company, and it's been over a month, and these people can't write a simple 301 redirection without breaking his whole site. My friend happens to be a non-technical guy, so he can't see their shit. Sad.
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