Google Security Team Member on NSA: "Fuck These Guys"

Post by lttlrck » Wed, Nov 06, 2013, 4:42 PM UTC

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But that's the core of the problem. By the nature of what they do, their successes are never clear. Not that this is a very robust intellectual defense, but the US is far from the only country to do this. Just two days ago the NYT had an article about Brazil spying on Americans within its borders: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/05/world/americas/brazil-ackn... If we shut down the NSA tomorrow we would be an an intern…

I understand the line "By the nature of what they do, their successes are never clear." but I would think that will all of the bad "publicity" the NSA is receiving they would at least pull one example out where they prevented an attack. They have only release vague numbers on the number of incidents prevented and when put under a microscope they weren't a very big part of the plots they claimed to have foiled. I unde…

Post by redblacktree » Wed, Nov 06, 2013, 4:47 PM UTC

ewbuoi wrote: post #183

redblacktree wrote: post #160

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Sure, but they don't have the "home field advantage" that the NSA does, whereby much of the core internet infrastructure is housed in the US. I forget the exact number, but something like 70% of the world's internet traffic transits the US. (they mention this constantly in NSA-related articles)

But how much of the core infrastructure is made by the Chinese?

Post by snowwrestler » Wed, Nov 06, 2013, 4:52 PM UTC

nyrina wrote: post #185

InclinedPlane wrote: post #154

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Yes. It's fixable the moment the public realizes that it is within their power to fix.

Until you realize that the public doesn't have as much money as the lobbyists.

Post by rayiner » Wed, Nov 06, 2013, 4:54 PM UTC

snowwrestler wrote: post #259

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Legislative fixes aren't going to buy you a lot, though they'll buy you something. The fundamental problem is structural: there are a lot of things the NSA is totally allowed to do, especially when it acts as an agency of the executive outside of the U.S. Technologists tend to ignore national and jurisdictional borders because networks cross those borders, but the powers of the NSA are defined in terms of those borde…

U.S. law follows U.S. citizens around the world. For example if a U.S. citizen rob a bank in the U.S. and then flees to the UK, when the UK police catch him, he will be extradited and prosecuted in a U.S. court. He's not stuck into a UK jail without a trial. That's the minimum issue here--Google ships the data of U.S. citizens around the world, and the NSA knows it. They are trying to play a cute game by pretending t…

Post by snowwrestler » Wed, Nov 06, 2013, 4:57 PM UTC

cromwellian wrote: post #5

It's ironic that when the Chinese attack against Google occurred, we thought the Chinese government was the most hostile state actor threat to worry about, but it turned out to be the US and UK government.