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Re: We Work Remotely – New Job Board from 37 Signals

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Post by lportion »

mattt416 wrote: post #103
netcan wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No idea if it's enough start a job board but seems to me like requiring the name of the company and a salary range is not a bad requirement for keeping quality up.

On WFH.io ( https://www.wfh.io ), we always try to link back to the employer's job posting. Job boards in the UK are mainly populated by recruiters, and it's not until after you submit your CV that you actually find out who's hiring. To me that seems completely ridiculous but is standard procedure here. Also, if the job posting doesn't explicitly mention remote/WFH, then we try to avoid posting the job.

This is true and it is completely ridiculous.

I often get recruiters who try to sell me a job based purely on technologies and not what the company actually does. I'll ask them who the company is and they usually wont say, either due to the fact that I haven't sent my CV/resume or they think I am another recruiter that is trying to steal the details.

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Post by mgkimsal »

cseelus wrote: post #161
mgkimsal wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"better" is always subjective, and it's never even been close to my expectations. I don't think most people who've told me "oh, has gotten a lot better in the last year" even know what the problems are that keep some people away. I think it's largely PR parroting, and a way to seem marginally 'with it' re: linux. "hey yeah, I know ubuntu had some issues in the past, but you should really try it now - it's a lot bette…

http://fishshell.com/

not the same as the fish protocol I remember from kde, but looks interesting. thanks!

Re: We Work Remotely – New Job Board from 37 Signals

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Post by netcan »

redguava wrote: post #231
netcan wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Say you have 2 good candidates for a remote job. The slightly better one lives in Warsaw, you prefer him. You offer them $60k. The slightly worse one lives in NY, you offer $100k? Is that really how it would work? What if the Warsaw guy demanded $100k, would you pick the NY guy. This stuff about cost of living or finding the salary they would be happy with is all baloney. Employers want to pay as little as the candid…

You make an incorrect assumption that causes an incorrect conclusion. Not all employers want to pay as little as the candidate will accept. I can state this as fact as I am an employer and I do not do that. As an employer, I want a happy and loyal staff member. Negotiating them down on price doesn't achieve that. I have never offered less than someones initial asking price, and sometimes paid more. I think it's wrong…

Perhaps I overstated a little. There are of course other factors. An employers doesn't really benefit if the employee feels screwed. I don't mean to imply that the process is purely cold & inhuman.

However, there is an underlying economic reality here. It's a negotiation over price. The employee has a minimum salary they would accept, some larger amount where they feel satisfied and less likely to look for an alternative job. But, they always want more and if they think they can get more, they will often try. You as the employer also most likely have maximum you are willing to pay and a lower amount that you would prefer to pay.

Even if it manifests as a discussion, this is in many real ways just a veneer over that underlying reality. You are not really offering the Warsaw candidate less then the NY one because they have a lower cost of living. You are offering it because it matches their expectations and they are likely to accept it which is in turn because their alternative are probably comparable. Not advertising a salary range leaves you the opportunity to take advantage of that possibility.

I do think we should be civil and nice and ethical. After all, my problem with undisclosed salary is that it isn't nice. Lets be honest though.

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Post by kfcm »

wrboyce wrote: post #149
grey-area wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another approach to this is to stop looking for a job with a salary and strike out on your own as a contractor/company. If you have contacts in the industry already, this isn't as hard as it might seem, and makes it far easier to truly work remotely without being tied to one specific office. Having said that from experience (I did Paris-London for a while) I think you'd find it hard to telecommute or work remotely be…

I don't agree with your statement at all. The company I work for (and have been with for about two years) has employees across more timezones than I care to count (I am based in London, my colleagues across the US, Panama, Brazil, Switzerland, Italy, Bulgaria, Russia and probably some others I've forgotten -- with one person soon moving to Australia) and we don't have any real issues. We even manage to have a daily s…

I agree with the parent commenter completely, but there is a difference between grey-area and you.

You imply being an employee of a company with remote workers. Grey-area is discussing the difficulties of being a remote independent contractor/consultant.

Being remote independent is difficult, since you're not just in the technical position, but you're also in sales (selling your skills). Obtaining leads means networking with decision makers--finding, meeting, networking with them; discovering what their itch is, and you're the right person to scratch it--and more often than not, doing so requires physical presence in social situations. It's hunting for a new job every 6-12 months.

But it is great being in charge of your own destiny.

Re: We Work Remotely – New Job Board from 37 Signals

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Post by katie4walsh »

Hi, I'm with Scanbuy's HR team. As I'm researching talent to work remote I found this site and wanted to put Scanbuy www.scanbuy.com on your radar. We're the leading global provider of mobile barcode solutions. We're presently hiring Sr. Web Application Engineers & SDET Testing Engineers. If interested, I'd love to connect and share our full posting: katie.walsh@scanbuy.net. Scanbuy is in NYC - I am too and we're open to hiring folks from anywhere in the continental US who's eligible to work for any US employer.

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Post by katie4walsh »

Hi, I'm with Scanbuy's HR team. As I'm researching talent to work remote I found this site and wanted to put Scanbuy www.scanbuy.com on your radar. We're the leading global provider of mobile barcode solutions. We're presently hiring Sr. Web Application Engineers & SDET Testing Engineers. If interested, I'd love to connect and share our full posting: katie.walsh@scanbuy.net. Scanbuy is in NYC - I am too and we're open to hiring folks from anywhere in the continental US who's eligible to work for any US employer.

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Post by lucasnemeth »

brdrak wrote: post #160
mgkimsal wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"better" is always subjective, and it's never even been close to my expectations. I don't think most people who've told me "oh, has gotten a lot better in the last year" even know what the problems are that keep some people away. I think it's largely PR parroting, and a way to seem marginally 'with it' re: linux. "hey yeah, I know ubuntu had some issues in the past, but you should really try it now - it's a lot bette…

Linux user for 15 years, Debian/Ubuntu exclusively for the past 7 or so. IMO, it's without question that the Desktop experience is better every year, now to a point where it just works 99.9% of the time (in my experience, anyway). Haven't had a any problems with sound or multiple monitors in a while (using both Nvidia and ATI video cards). Of course people will and should use whatever they want. I have to touch Windo…

Agree. Desktop Linux do have it problems, it is getting better every year, but it's linux weakest point. I can lose some time eventually with mundane things. But the ease I have on deploying things, testing things, etc. the things that matter for my work, it's incomparable.

On a side note: I have some sound problems every once in a while, but I am a hard user of audio libraries, since I perform in music concerts using live coding... In the normal everyday department, it just works.

Re: We Work Remotely – New Job Board from 37 Signals

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Post by Pro777 »

mhurron wrote: post #76
netcan wrote: post #55

This is a more general comment about job postings in general - Why are salary ranges so seldom listed. If you look at a lot of leading job boards even the company name isn't listed (recruiters). Isn't salary a basic piece of information that every job listing should have?

They keep it hidden for several reasons, though in reality they boil down trying to pay you as little as possible. -They hope to wow you with the position so you'll accept a pay lower than you wanted. This doesn't work when the salary range is listed up front and is so low you won't bother to respond. -They're going to base their offer on how much you make now. This works when you're trying to move up in your career,…

An easy out when asked about current salary is to simply say "my contract does not allow me to discuss my compensation."

Re: We Work Remotely – New Job Board from 37 Signals

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Post by mangotree »

nawitus wrote: post #33

a track record of getting stuff done I wonder how one can prove to have a track record of getting stuff done. If we exclude hobby projects / open source contributions, I have no idea how I could show any kind of track record. I'm not allowed to talk about the projects I do at work, for example, and I don't have time or motivation for hobby projects after work.

Some people can, some people can't. I have lots of apps on the App Store, so I can.
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