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Re: South Korea is stuck with Internet Explorer for online shopping

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Post by eonil » Wed, Nov 06, 2013, 2:16 AM UTC

Whole the source of problem is Korean majority is conservative. They don't want to change anything. And want to force their belief of right. And that belief in financial industry is current Korean online banking system. Korean financial industry practically has no freedom to choose some security solution, so even foreign banks - such as CitiBank - use that stupid system.

And the conservativeness of the Korean majority elected conservative major party, and the party - of course - has no will to change it at all. And actually they enforces old rules to keep their existing benefits.

So Korea has no hope to change this before replace major party. In last president election, there was a candidate promised fixing this issue, but finally defeated to candidate from conservative party.

And they need to wait all the old McCarthyists - who are main supporters of conservative party - disappears.

Re: South Korea is stuck with Internet Explorer for online shopping

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Post by cnvogel » Wed, Nov 06, 2013, 10:08 AM UTC

talmand wrote: post #128

lifthrasiir wrote: post #106

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Many native "security" solutions required by websites, e.g. anti-keyloggers and antiviruses, would block the VM. They also tend to trigger weird problems in the VM, e.g. some of them makes the entire desktop fail to respond to any events. (What?)

Out of curiosity, how would the security applications know that it was being run on a VM? Why would they care? That suggests they believe no one has a legitimate reason to run Windows in a VM.

On Detection:

There are a few things that leak presence of a virtual machine to running code (even in userspace).

There are the easy signs, e.g. that the virtualbox guest kernel-modules or utility programs for clipboard exchange are running. Or that your harddisk controller has a PCI ID identifying it as a Oracle Virtualbox AHCI device.

But on a hardware-virtualized machine there are also numerous inconsistencies to be observed which are not influencing the correct execution of "normal" code, but leak the existance of the hypervisor to the guest OS (and sometimes even to non-privileged user-code in the guest OS).

Google for "Red Pill VM detection", unfortunately currently invisiblethings.org (the site of the author) seems to be unavailable.

Re: South Korea is stuck with Internet Explorer for online shopping

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Post by dragonwriter » Wed, Nov 06, 2013, 3:35 PM UTC

sp332 wrote: post #142

criley2 wrote: post #136

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He was correct, Capitalist refers to a very small number of people who own and manage capital. My definition (the textbook definition), was describing a system of capital ownership. Unless you labor under the delusion that capital is not owned by a very small number of people, I do not know how that definition caused you to think the exact opposite of the definition. Also, I am not wielding "greedy" as an insult, as…

Sure :) I'm just wondering how a different system would deal with greedy people. If the system discourages greed, doesn't that increase the incentive for greedy people to corrupt the system?

> I'm just wondering how a different system would deal with greedy people.

It would harness greed to produce social good rather than assuming greed will naturally produce social good. Note that you actually see many elements of this alternative to capitalism in most modern developed economies, which are mixed economies that specifically adopted elements of alternatives to capitalism (largely, specifically drawn from the universe of socialist thought) to mitigate the harms of capitalism identified by 19th Century socialist critics.

Re: South Korea is stuck with Internet Explorer for online shopping

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Post by ksk » Wed, Nov 06, 2013, 4:38 PM UTC

guard-of-terra wrote: post #143

ksk wrote: post #99

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>If the government implementations are the de facto standards and the Korean government has only maintained an ActiveX version for the last 10 years, I can't see how you can interpret it as anything other than an IE mandate. Because the government is not mandating IE? The public overwhelmingly used IE over Netscape which caused the government to go "okay since nobody is using netscape we're going to only maintain one…

Having to choose between dead Netscape and alive IE is a fake choice. May I have my third choice please?

What they should really do is open source their plugin or at the very least their spec.

Re: South Korea is stuck with Internet Explorer for online shopping

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Post by ksk » Wed, Nov 06, 2013, 4:40 PM UTC

beagle3 wrote: post #153

ksk wrote: post #104

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>Long after far superior alternatives were available, the law mandated the use of Internet Explorer, which is an inertia that carries the country today. The law does not mandate IE. The government would have maintained both plugins if people would have continued to use netscape. They didn't.

By not developing such a plugin for firefox and chrome (which now account for much, much more than IE everywhere else in the world), they are, effectively, mandating IE. How is the situation today any different than if Netscape never existed? It is really important to look through the dry definitions. e.g., the super rich -- like the super poor -- are forbidden from panhandling. But effectively, it's a law that only…

But you're looking at it globally which has no bearing in Korea. Locally ofcource its a chicken and egg problem. IMO they should just opensource their technology.

Re: South Korea is stuck with Internet Explorer for online shopping

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Post by iand » Tue, Nov 12, 2013, 11:57 PM UTC

AnIrishDuck wrote: post #80

iand wrote: post #65

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> What government policy led to the dominant monopoly of Standard Oil? Where did their mineral rights come from?

Private landowners would sell their rights either directly to Standard Oil, or to companies owned by Standard Oil. If you can point to a deal where Standard Oil bought mineral rights directly from the government in some kind of corrupt deal, I'm all ears. Or are you arguing that the right to own private property comes from the government? What then, is the proposed alternative? Dispel property rights? Because history…

Try reading Henry George for an externalities based approach to land ownership.