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Re: We Work Remotely – New Job Board from 37 Signals

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Post by redguava »

netcan wrote: post #230
redguava wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a really complicated thing. I agree the salary should be relative to the amount of value you add. But what a "good salary" is, depends on where you live. If you do an amazing job, and I pay you an amazing amount. That amazing amount could vary depending on your cost of living. I agree in a perfect world that you should get paid the same no matter where you are, and globalisation will probably head in that direct…

Say you have 2 good candidates for a remote job. The slightly better one lives in Warsaw, you prefer him. You offer them $60k. The slightly worse one lives in NY, you offer $100k? Is that really how it would work? What if the Warsaw guy demanded $100k, would you pick the NY guy. This stuff about cost of living or finding the salary they would be happy with is all baloney. Employers want to pay as little as the candid…

You make an incorrect assumption that causes an incorrect conclusion.

Not all employers want to pay as little as the candidate will accept. I can state this as fact as I am an employer and I do not do that.

As an employer, I want a happy and loyal staff member. Negotiating them down on price doesn't achieve that. I have never offered less than someones initial asking price, and sometimes paid more.

I think it's wrong to assume the employer and employee have differing objectives. We hopefully both want a successful relationship/partnership. Achieving a salary that both are happy with is part of that.

As for your example, again you assume that the employer makes an offer or the employee demands something. Can't it just be a discussion to find the most appropriate salary? That's how I do it.

Re: We Work Remotely – New Job Board from 37 Signals

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Post by redguava »

petercooper wrote: post #229
redguava wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a really complicated thing. I agree the salary should be relative to the amount of value you add. But what a "good salary" is, depends on where you live. If you do an amazing job, and I pay you an amazing amount. That amazing amount could vary depending on your cost of living. I agree in a perfect world that you should get paid the same no matter where you are, and globalisation will probably head in that direct…

Shouldn't you be paying everyone an amount that equally benefits them? Because that's entirely subjective and can't be calculated objectively. Person A in SF might be paying $3000/mo in rent but also has top bands, a lot of popular culture, great shops, and so forth at their front door. These things counteract the lack of much disposable income for them. Person B in Vietnam might pay $200/mo for a house but may also…

Of course it can't be calculated objectively.

Only the employee knows the amount that is right for them.

Re: We Work Remotely – New Job Board from 37 Signals

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Post by ancarda »

oftenwrong wrote: post #60
msantos wrote: post #24

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And here's another fine example: You love Macs, open source software and tools, and cringe when you hear the words .NET

You love open source software, but not enough to use an open source OS

That actually sums me up quite well. For various reasons, I just don't get along on Linux. It always made me run back to Windows, but I wanted to use open/free software. I eventually settled on OS X as it allowed me to use most of the programs I liked from Linux without having to sacrifice a good desktop environment.

To summarize; "I'll use free software but not if it means neglecting superior proprietary software".

Obviously to each his own in this matter. Linux is great in some areas but not for user experience or corporate support.

Re: We Work Remotely – New Job Board from 37 Signals

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Post by poissonpie »

jmadsen wrote: post #90
bbx wrote: post #47

I've been searching for a remote job for the last few months. This site comes in really handy. Listing remote jobs isn't new (for example, Authentic Jobs has a clear call-to-action to filter them), but focusing on them is interesting. What I've learned so far is that a remote job is not exactly what I thought it was. Considering the mostly globalized state of the web (and even the internet), I thought "remote" meant…

This, and why this new site might be a little frustrating to use. I search for 100% remote work, no office visits, no timezone restrictions. Not having that info right on the main listing means I need to click each one to read what the restrictions are

maybe there's an idea for an MVP?

Re: We Work Remotely – New Job Board from 37 Signals

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Post by kfk »

It will be interesting to see if this will span across other roles too. I work in controlling and I could see me helping out a few companies/startups remotely.

One interesting thing for me is having both part-time and remote. While I see many startups might not need a full time finance/controller, I think many could use a part-time one.

Re: We Work Remotely – New Job Board from 37 Signals

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Post by redblacktree »

brdrak wrote: post #169
redblacktree wrote: post #163

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We weren't comparing Linux and Windows. I also agree that Linux wins hands-down in that particular matchup (unless you want to game...). The question for me is OSX vs Linux, and for me, OSX is WAY easier, and I get most of the deliciousness of Linux on the command line.

A lot of people do prefer OSX. Between OSX and Windows, I'd choose OSX in a heartbeat because cygwin wasn't so great when I tried it a while back. I did try OSX for a while, and wanted to like it because I can get it for free at work, but I'm so used to Linux that OSX quirks really annoyed me. Things like package management being an aftermarket hack, pain trying to get functional RAID10, Apple changing core functiona…

> For me, Linux is WAY easier. :-)

A fair point. Thanks for posting. I never really got good at running Linux on the desktop; I gave up each time I tried, due to a sound driver issue or similar. I suppose if I'd stuck with it, I might feel as you do.

Re: We Work Remotely – New Job Board from 37 Signals

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Post by lucaspiller »

davegardner wrote: post #207
JasonPunyon wrote: post #138

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Where in the world is ryanjshaw? (Where are you accessing careers from? We might not be advertising in your area.)

I'm in Australia and see the same results as ryanjshaw.

UK. I see different results to both -_-

http://i.imgur.com/vR5X36t.png

Re: We Work Remotely – New Job Board from 37 Signals

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Post by mattlutze »

quaffapint wrote: post #165
atmosx wrote: post #116

I'm not a professional developer but I would be very interested even in low-salary junior developer job in Ruby. But most jobs posting I see require excellent knowledge of virtually every technology out there . I wonder how many developers are excellent at: * UNIX admin (setting up sql + nginx + unicorn on BSD/Linux) Rails/JS/CSS3/HTML5 * TDD * Excellent Closure and/or Scala * Virtualisatin/scaling/concurrency (put a…

My favorite is this one from FogCreek... Incredible coding skills. Your friends and coworkers describe you as an "animal." ...A little intimidating ain't it? Not sure what an animal developer truly is.

Intimidating is often the point. I'd imagine it's a reflection of the culture, in this case that timidity may be eaten for brunch at the daily stand up.

Re: We Work Remotely – New Job Board from 37 Signals

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Post by mattlutze »

redguava wrote: post #221
laureny wrote: post #202

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> As a hirer, I'll always ask what they make now. How would you react if the candidate gave you the answer I typically give in this situation? ("my current salary is irrelevant, here is how much I want")

I'd be fine with that. It's used as a discussion point to arrive at a salary the person is happy with. If your original salary isn't one you want to base it off, that's ok.

That's admirable. It's unfortunate that a majority of the money discussion folks in HR will end the conversation if a candidate doesn't give a current salary.

Re: We Work Remotely – New Job Board from 37 Signals

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Post by JasonPunyon »

JasonPunyon wrote: post #138
ryanjshaw wrote: post #129

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[status-reopen] http://imgur.com/zZRveUH

Where in the world is ryanjshaw? (Where are you accessing careers from? We might not be advertising in your area.)

Yes. All the differences here are due to employers choosing where they want to advertise their jobs. We have 7 granular advertising regions for employers to choose from. You can see them at the bottom of the post job page.
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