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Google Security Team Member on NSA: "Fuck These Guys"

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On the whole, I think I'd rather be spied on by an ally rather than a dictatorship.

As a Brazilian that had ti witness the effects of US alliance during cold war... No, hell no. With a friend like that, who needs enemies?

You had enemies in the cold war. The USSR was much, much worse.

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Completely disagree with that. That is like saying you would prefer to have your own brother punch you in your face than a stranger. It hurts a lot more because you are meant to look out for each other, not distrust and stab each others back.

Well I trust what the US does with the information more than China. It's like Tiannamen Square never happened.

You trust the US of today. That is your right and well, that is fine.

But who is to speak for tomorrow? None of us can tell what the future brings. Not me and not you. So who is to say that in ten years, when that data is still there, that the US is still worthy of your trust?

It is the future we should distrust, even if you trust the past, and the present.

Re: Google Security Team Member on NSA: "Fuck These Guys"

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Oh, the hypocrisy.... > "Bypassing that system is illegal for a good reason." Yes, so is invasion of privacy. Yet Google has no problem breaking the law and violating civil rights for profit. > "Unfortunately we live in a world where all too often, laws are for the little people." Yeah, like tax laws and privacy laws... If you want to get on this high horse, you shouldn't be working for Google.

True but I don't really mind hypocrisy. Would you rather he stayed quiet about the government?

Re: Google Security Team Member on NSA: "Fuck These Guys"

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post #89

I think it's pretty clear that we need both technical and legislative fixes to NSA surveillance. Just one of the two isn't enough: to get be even vaguely confident that surveillance ends, we need both. The technical fixes I can't speak to, but the legislative ones I've been thinking about for a while. In the last week, there have been two prominent bills announced to deal with surveillance: - Bill 1: The FISA Improve…

There's no conundrum. You take what you can get, when you can get it - especially with how Washington functions today. The other big name groups recognize this. Perfect is the enemy of good here.

Re: Google Security Team Member on NSA: "Fuck These Guys"

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Completely disagree with that. That is like saying you would prefer to have your own brother punch you in your face than a stranger. It hurts a lot more because you are meant to look out for each other, not distrust and stab each others back.

Well I trust what the US does with the information more than China. It's like Tiannamen Square never happened.

Tiannamen Square is believed to greatly affected Chinese politics, mostly for the better. They do not like talking about it but they have done much to prevent something like that from happening again.

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As a Brazilian that had ti witness the effects of US alliance during cold war... No, hell no. With a friend like that, who needs enemies?

You had enemies in the cold war. The USSR was much, much worse.

Are you sure they were? As far as I can tell the US has done more damage in Latin America than any USSR meddling. Stalin was really bad but the USSR was not ruled by Stalin for that long.

Re: Google Security Team Member on NSA: "Fuck These Guys"

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I'm personally far more angry with Congress utterly failing in their oversight role, and to some extent with the judiciary for becoming at best a rubber stamp, than with NSA. The President (pretty much from LBJ onward, but even farther back) is also fairly complicit in this, but that part is accelerating.

I would probably be a single-issue voter if a candidate for congress were likely to win and was aligned with me on this issue but opposed on virtually everything else.

One essentially-fantasy is to run for Congress directly. Unfortunately I haven't lived my entire life to my mid-30s in trying to become a viable political candidate, so this would be difficult. Central or Eastern WA is probably the best bet, along with starting a 50-500 person business which employs a lot of local people (manufacturing of some kind) and generally being an engaged local citizen for a decade or more. But that's a long term goal.

Re: Google Security Team Member on NSA: "Fuck These Guys"

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Well I trust what the US does with the information more than China. It's like Tiannamen Square never happened.

You trust the US of today. That is your right and well, that is fine. But who is to speak for tomorrow? None of us can tell what the future brings. Not me and not you. So who is to say that in ten years, when that data is still there, that the US is still worthy of your trust? It is the future we should distrust, even if you trust the past, and the present.

A fair point. Distrust of governments is a healthy position to have.

Re: Google Security Team Member on NSA: "Fuck These Guys"

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post #146

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You had enemies in the cold war. The USSR was much, much worse.

Are you sure they were? As far as I can tell the US has done more damage in Latin America than any USSR meddling. Stalin was really bad but the USSR was not ruled by Stalin for that long.

The US in Central America weren't angels, for sure, but I doubt if the USSR funding of left-wing groups was any better.

Stalin was a mad man on a par with Hitler, but even under later leaders it was still a repressive regime with Gulags.

Re: Google Security Team Member on NSA: "Fuck These Guys"

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Cussing is all fine and understandable, but I missed the part where the Google opsec team was searching for and plugging the holes the NSA is exploiting, or switching to another carrier, or suing the NSA for illegal wiretapping.

The problem is that it's not the NSA doing it. It's GCHQ, in the UK.

What was the physical location of this fiber? The UK?
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