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The Cheapest Generation

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Re: The Cheapest Generation

#81

Here are some scattered observations and opinions as somebody in this generation. I'm basically just dumping gut feelings here--don't expect a lot of well-written explanations. There is not a lot worth buying that is long-lasting. Most everything feels mass-produced and cheap, and the things that aren't are pretty obviously marketed at people trying to buck that trend. I don't want to pay 10x more for something witho…

>Our parents set our city planning up for failure. The primary reason for anti-walkability is to keep "riff-raff" out of the nice suburbs. The white flight from the cities in the 60s and 70s was a huge event in American urban planning and those whites who wound up in the suburbs don't want any of that inner-city stuff they got away from downtown from mucking up their suburb. It's horrible but it's the truth. It's one…

Why do people get divorced??

Re: The Cheapest Generation

#82

Here are some scattered observations and opinions as somebody in this generation. I'm basically just dumping gut feelings here--don't expect a lot of well-written explanations. There is not a lot worth buying that is long-lasting. Most everything feels mass-produced and cheap, and the things that aren't are pretty obviously marketed at people trying to buck that trend. I don't want to pay 10x more for something witho…

Late Gen X here. If these feelings are widespread amongst Gen Y, that actually makes me optimistic for the future. Thanks for writing it up.

He's spot on.

Re: The Cheapest Generation

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like a lot of what you say, especially about cars and urban development ( http://jseliger.wordpress.com/2013/08/13/why-would-you-want-... ), but I will note a couple other things: Police... always always always make things worse They don't always make things worse, as I discovered when a random guy pounded on my door in the middle of the night and threatened to kill me: http://jseliger.wordpress.com/2010/06/21/guy-…

Prediction: The real test of our generation is going to be whether or not we succeed in bringing government back down to more manageable local levels, a sort of backlash against federalism. The majority of issues we have could and should be solved locally, for proper values of "locally". The technology we have today could then be used to federate these communities on larger issues without giving over autonomy.

You're kind of misusing the term federalism, I think. It generally applies in the US to moving power back from the federal government to the states, which actually seems to be in keeping with what you are advocating.

(it's strongest advocates in US politics have been people who are bitter about the federal government enacting the Civil Rights Act and stuff like that, so... have fun with your new friends)

Re: The Cheapest Generation

#84

Here are some scattered observations and opinions as somebody in this generation. I'm basically just dumping gut feelings here--don't expect a lot of well-written explanations. There is not a lot worth buying that is long-lasting. Most everything feels mass-produced and cheap, and the things that aren't are pretty obviously marketed at people trying to buck that trend. I don't want to pay 10x more for something witho…

> I live in the fourth-largest and sprawliest metropolitan area in > North America (Houston).

Looking just at the US, Wikipedia[1] says that the fourth largest metropolitan area is DC/Baltimore. Not sure about the sprawliest.

Houston proper is the fourth largest city by population,[2] although that distinction really ought to belong to Brooklyn.[3]

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_areas_of_...

[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

[3]http://www.brooklynpaper.com/assets/photos/33/41/33_41_welco... (cue "Welcome Back" by John Sebastian)

Re: The Cheapest Generation

#85
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I'm in my 30s and this is exactly how I feel.

I turned 40 last year and this is exactly how I feel. So if more and more of the population feels this way, at what point does it become a movement. Is that even possible? When does the reboot happen?

I think step 1 should be "reduce the influence of money on electoral outcomes." That would significantly lower the bar to putting pragmatic and thoughtful humans into positions of power without leaving them chained to the well-funded interests that helped put them there.

The problem is, I don't really know HOW to do that.

Re: The Cheapest Generation

#86

Here are some scattered observations and opinions as somebody in this generation. I'm basically just dumping gut feelings here--don't expect a lot of well-written explanations. There is not a lot worth buying that is long-lasting. Most everything feels mass-produced and cheap, and the things that aren't are pretty obviously marketed at people trying to buck that trend. I don't want to pay 10x more for something witho…

> Most everything feels mass-produced and cheap

That's because most everything that you use other people want to use as well. Companies will manufacture them en mass. That's why they're cheap. That's a good thing.

Perhaps you should solder your next keyboard yourself?

I have a pair of logitech speakers that I bought 8 years ago (mass produced, of course) that sound great. And they were pretty cheap at the time.

What point are you making? Perhaps do some research before you buy a product.

> There is no reason to trust the banks.

Yes, you should read the contracts that you sign.

Beyond this, what do you mean? Trust the banks with what?

> Credit rating is bogeyman.

Try getting a large loan for a business or for a home or a car with poor credit.

You can get credit cards easily because the risk is lower (it's relatively small amounts of capital at risk and it's for a shorter term than a 30 year mortgage) and the reward is higher for the credit lending agent.

> Cars are expensive and limited in utility.

Agreed.

> Our parents set our city planning up for failure.

Yes, according to what you would deem a success in city planning at this moment in time.

> Our government doesn't care about us.

Social Security and Medicare/aid were never meant to be retirement plans.

I also don't know what this means beyond the healthcare/SS aspect? The government is people. They maintain the roads and infrastructure, don't they?

It's not perfect, but then again, if you're on HN you most likely live a life better than 99% of people in the world.

> Our companies don't care about us.

Sure, why would they? Social welfare is a role for the government to fill.

> Congratulations, we're all contract workers now.

Sounds good to me.

> We don't believe in advertising.

Sure, most commercials and billboards are pretty stupid, but define advertising. Advertising encompasses a lot of things that you probably find ok.

How do you hear about the products and services that you're searching for? From friends? How did they hear about it?

> We don't believe in the police.

Perhaps because the stories where the police do their job professionally don't get reported?

> We don't believe in the news.

You shouldn't absolutely believe in any news mainstream or not. The idea, however, that you are being actively lied to by journalists is just absurd. Journalists mainstream or not have biases and agendas.

Critical thinking is required to form a legitimate opinion regardless if the media is mainstream or not.

I really don't get the derision of mainstream media. It has a role, just as blogs and independent media does.

> We believe in each other

Agreed. But I hardly think this is unique to our generation. Rather, this is a human trait.

Your whole rant comes off as entitled. You haven't really said anything of value. Just hackneyed sentiments that you can see any day on reddit or on Facebook.

Re: The Cheapest Generation

#87
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like a lot of what you say, especially about cars and urban development ( http://jseliger.wordpress.com/2013/08/13/why-would-you-want-... ), but I will note a couple other things: Police... always always always make things worse They don't always make things worse, as I discovered when a random guy pounded on my door in the middle of the night and threatened to kill me: http://jseliger.wordpress.com/2010/06/21/guy-…

Sorry, I'm going to disagree here. My generation worked our asses off getting Obama elected, and was really the driving force behind his election (to my shame). Yet, as soon as he's in office, all his promises to us, all his soothing words, all his assurances of change, were out the window. Other than some lame alternative to single-payer health insurance, and (only after major prodding) some gay rights advances, he'…

The lesson is to keep voting and look at Congress next instead of focusing on the presidential election. It's possible to fix things; state government in California has gotten a lot better recently due to redistricting and primary reform.

Re: The Cheapest Generation

#88

It's an intriguing idea and there's probably something to it, but what kind of shitty journalism is this? > Needless to say, the Great Recession is responsible for some of the decline. Yep, but somehow that's a boring assumption that doesn't gel with the authors' thinking so they just brush it aside completely. > First, gas prices more than doubled, which made car-sharing alluring. Because the cost of a car-share is…

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Re: The Cheapest Generation

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Our parents set our city planning up for failure. The primary reason for anti-walkability is to keep "riff-raff" out of the nice suburbs. The white flight from the cities in the 60s and 70s was a huge event in American urban planning and those whites who wound up in the suburbs don't want any of that inner-city stuff they got away from downtown from mucking up their suburb. It's horrible but it's the truth. It's one…

Why do people get divorced??

Some of the anonymized acecdotes I've heard second hand with regards to why the well-adjusted suburban upper-middle class gets divorced is that it's often due to the wife getting paranoid about getting ace'd out of the financial picture in favor of the children in her old age. Another reason is because the old man gets utterly infatuated with a younger lady and he throws his brain out the window. Alcoholism can also be a factor.

Re: The Cheapest Generation

#90

Here are some scattered observations and opinions as somebody in this generation. I'm basically just dumping gut feelings here--don't expect a lot of well-written explanations. There is not a lot worth buying that is long-lasting. Most everything feels mass-produced and cheap, and the things that aren't are pretty obviously marketed at people trying to buck that trend. I don't want to pay 10x more for something witho…

Congratulations. You've worked up a pretty good set of bullet points for why our generation is full of firey nonstop rock-shattering MOTHER-GODDAMN-FUCKING RAGE when it comes to most every institution we lay eyes on. EDIT: This comment is very low-content; please stop upvoting it out of plain agreement.

Do you understand now why I didn't vote in the last election? It wasn't apathy; it was rage and contempt for the institution. Voting idealistically has gotten us less than zero as a generation.
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