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Re: We Work Remotely – New Job Board from 37 Signals

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Post by kirillzubovsky »

podviaznikov wrote: post #137
kirillzubovsky wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If he is serious about actually working and making a living, oDesk is not the right place to work. I wrote about it a few days ago - https://medium.com/startup-shenanigans/66896bbf21da - cheap labor and sup-par clients, yeah, oDesk is definitely not the place.

I would disagree here. You actually can find well paid mid-term and long-term contracts on oDesk. Classification obviously depends on your expenses but I would say it's quite possible to get more money on oDesk than in most IT companies in EU.

Well, you could get money by working a lot and doing cheap crappy jobs, that doesn't make it a good job. Besides, I've heard stories for clients being scammed out of their money on oDesk and developers losing reputation because of jerky clients. I bet there are outliers, but overall, it's sup-par, imho.

Re: We Work Remotely – New Job Board from 37 Signals

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Post by pmjordan »

grey-area wrote: post #132
pmjordan wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If "setting up an offshore subsidiary company for the purposes of employing remote workers" fits your definition of "it's extremely easy", then yes, I can't argue with you.

That's not at all what I was suggesting. I'm not suggesting setting up subsidiaries or anything of the kind. It's easy to subcontract work out to other countries if you're not tied to the idea of having employees, but instead hire companies (companies which already exist, like say small design shops, packaging firms for apps, or tech firms) to perform services for you, rather than individuals. Take 37 signals for exa…

That's a bit of a different beast to what the original commenters were suggesting. Engagements of that caliber usually involve outsourcing whole projects or subprojects (web presence for product X, whatever). Of course, there's overlap between what you can get a remote employee/contractor do vs. what you can "outsource". Note that levies might still be due on services performed across certain countries' borders. (much like customs duties on goods)

I could also imagine a kind of "talent agency" model, though that doesn't seem to have caught on in tech. (Yet? I'd sign up for that if it provided me with a steady-ish flow of high-quality gigs and sorted out all the legal/tax paperwork for me.)

Re: We Work Remotely – New Job Board from 37 Signals

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Post by markdown »

the_hangman wrote: post #98
mgkimsal wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"though I've heard Ubuntu got better" I've heard that about linux every year for the past 14 years, usually from people who've only been using desktop linux for a year or two. Not exclusively, but usually.

Ubuntu is alright -- the problem with Linux as an OS 'for the people' is that the people find the command line frightening. Putting a pretty UX on top of Linux and making it easier to use just moves users further and further away from 'Linux' and closer and closer to an OS X or Windows, only without the games, hardware compatibility, and enterprise software options.

> closer and closer to an OS X or Windows

Which is the best way for an average user to interact with the machine, is it not?

The ideal OS would be OS X levels of usable, but built entirely on Free Software. Once such an OS exists, it will draw in users, and the games/hardware-compatibility etc will always follow the users.

Re: We Work Remotely – New Job Board from 37 Signals

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Post by kirillzubovsky »

nollidge wrote: post #128
kirillzubovsky wrote: post #111

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Actually, that's not naive at all. If you don't mind working on multiple projects throughout a year, you're welcome to create a profile on https://Scoutzie.com and you could work with any number of clients you want. The beauty, you can quite literally work from home in your underwear, at whatever hours you choose. As long as you make it clear to the clients how you work on the projects, you get all the flexibility yo…

Er, except Scoutzie is only for designers, and We Work Remotely is more for programmers.

Actually, some of Scoutzie designers also to front and back-end development (example: https://scoutzie.com/samvj) . We are working on making them easier to find. Likewise, freelancers who can do all of the above can list themselves and their skills.

Re: We Work Remotely – New Job Board from 37 Signals

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Post by clebio »

enjo wrote: post #133
atmosx wrote: post #116

I'm not a professional developer but I would be very interested even in low-salary junior developer job in Ruby. But most jobs posting I see require excellent knowledge of virtually every technology out there . I wonder how many developers are excellent at: * UNIX admin (setting up sql + nginx + unicorn on BSD/Linux) Rails/JS/CSS3/HTML5 * TDD * Excellent Closure and/or Scala * Virtualisatin/scaling/concurrency (put a…

Apply anyways. The person reading the resumes usually knows what they really want.

And so all job postings list expert skills in everything under the sun, and all applicants apply to every job. Thus we get this mutually-assured diluted applicant pool which benefits neither side. And with no feedback to de-selected applicants, things never change. So it goes....

Re: We Work Remotely – New Job Board from 37 Signals

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Post by ryanjshaw »

JasonPunyon wrote: post #138
ryanjshaw wrote: post #129

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[status-reopen] http://imgur.com/zZRveUH

Where in the world is ryanjshaw? (Where are you accessing careers from? We might not be advertising in your area.)

South Africa. My first guess was that my results were being filtered by location, but if so there's no visiblility of this restriction and the posting does state:

"We’re looking to hire the best people wherever they are in the world."

I found the posting from the OP's link, BTW; if this is indeed the issue, it looks like careers.so ought to apply viewing restrictions equivalent to the search restrictions, otherwise cross-posts to other job sites are going to confuse other people in the same way it did me.

Re: We Work Remotely – New Job Board from 37 Signals

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Post by podviaznikov »

kirillzubovsky wrote: post #141
podviaznikov wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would disagree here. You actually can find well paid mid-term and long-term contracts on oDesk. Classification obviously depends on your expenses but I would say it's quite possible to get more money on oDesk than in most IT companies in EU.

Well, you could get money by working a lot and doing cheap crappy jobs, that doesn't make it a good job. Besides, I've heard stories for clients being scammed out of their money on oDesk and developers losing reputation because of jerky clients. I bet there are outliers, but overall, it's sup-par, imho.

Yeah, but I would say it's everywhere like that. You have good developers and bad developers, you have interesting projects and bad projects, you have good customers and bad customers. You can find YC companies on oDesk, you can find cool startups there. IMHO it's not difficult to filter good projects.

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Post by wrboyce »

grey-area wrote: post #57
bbx wrote: post #47

I've been searching for a remote job for the last few months. This site comes in really handy. Listing remote jobs isn't new (for example, Authentic Jobs has a clear call-to-action to filter them), but focusing on them is interesting. What I've learned so far is that a remote job is not exactly what I thought it was. Considering the mostly globalized state of the web (and even the internet), I thought "remote" meant…

Another approach to this is to stop looking for a job with a salary and strike out on your own as a contractor/company. If you have contacts in the industry already, this isn't as hard as it might seem, and makes it far easier to truly work remotely without being tied to one specific office. Having said that from experience (I did Paris-London for a while) I think you'd find it hard to telecommute or work remotely be…

I don't agree with your statement at all.

The company I work for (and have been with for about two years) has employees across more timezones than I care to count (I am based in London, my colleagues across the US, Panama, Brazil, Switzerland, Italy, Bulgaria, Russia and probably some others I've forgotten -- with one person soon moving to Australia) and we don't have any real issues. We even manage to have a daily standup; some of the team may be having their standup right at the start of their day and some will be having it at the end, but it works.

There are plenty of tools available (Skype, Hipchat and Google Hangouts to name an obvious three) which make maintaining lines of communication between telecommuting teams possible.

Re: We Work Remotely – New Job Board from 37 Signals

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Post by joshavant »

wrboyce wrote: post #149
grey-area wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another approach to this is to stop looking for a job with a salary and strike out on your own as a contractor/company. If you have contacts in the industry already, this isn't as hard as it might seem, and makes it far easier to truly work remotely without being tied to one specific office. Having said that from experience (I did Paris-London for a while) I think you'd find it hard to telecommute or work remotely be…

I don't agree with your statement at all. The company I work for (and have been with for about two years) has employees across more timezones than I care to count (I am based in London, my colleagues across the US, Panama, Brazil, Switzerland, Italy, Bulgaria, Russia and probably some others I've forgotten -- with one person soon moving to Australia) and we don't have any real issues. We even manage to have a daily s…

If you don't mind, please drop me a line about which company you work for (or post up here).

I'm not on the job market now (necessarily), but am keeping an eye out for your kind of companies and would love to keep yours on my radar, if possible.

EDIT - My email and all contact info are in my profile.

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