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Freenode has blocked the Mibbit client permanently.

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Re: Freenode has blocked the Mibbit client permanently.

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This is either deliberate FUD or an accidental misconstruing of what they said. I'm not a freenode staffer, but I was in the channel while this discussion was ongoing. What they did say was that: 1) the WEBIRC protocol, which mibbit pushes heavily, is fundamentally not trustable unless you know exactly what code is running 2) there are additional incentives for a commercial enterprise to potentially abuse any level o…

Networks differ massively on these points. EFNet for example was more than happy to setup WEBIRC. So are hundreds of others. For Mibbit, it's the cleanest, least hassle solution. It needs no management. The networks own security handles everything. That is why it's recommended. I'm really skeptical that abusing trust would be a good thing to do - if trust has been broken, networks can just ban you easily. #3 I disagr…

Networks differ massively on these points.

Of course. My intent with that post was not to get into a discussion about why Freenode was right or wrong in making their decision - like I said, I'm not a staffer, and I have no access to the information they presumably are making their decisions on.

My intent with that post was to point out that Freenode's reasons were significantly more nuanced than you claimed in your parent post, and to address your response to one of them using arguments that they, again, outlined while you were in the channel.

Re: Freenode has blocked the Mibbit client permanently.

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You really do think the worst of everyone don't you. I wonder what that says about you? That he's someone I'd hire to deal with network security.

How can he trust you'd pay him?

That's what contracts are for.

Re: Freenode has blocked the Mibbit client permanently.

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Oh. Thanks for explaining. I didn't mean to imply that mibbit users are retarded. Just that they don't quite know (or care?) as much about IRC as other people do.

I take offense at that. Do you have enough data to make that judgement? Out of the millions of people using Mibbit, you've done a survey and measured? Or is it just more likely that you'll notice if someone causing abuse is using mibbit?

Erm, might I suggest you reread what I said here, in this particular thread. Which amounted to saying that not all Mibbit users know or care much about IRC. Which is a very silly thing to be taking offense to, let alone demand to be proven.

Re: Freenode has blocked the Mibbit client permanently.

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Quite a few registration forms do block webmail addresses for reasons of abuse.

Registration forms that were built in the 90s, agreed.

No, I regularly find modern registration forms that won't accept mailinator or even hotmail addresses (and your service is probably more akin to mailinator than hotmail).

Re: Freenode has blocked the Mibbit client permanently.

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Why did it fail? You can just ban mibbit if you like on the channel :/ We didn't want to ban an entire service! Unfortunately, it wound up being the easiest way -- hence, our attempt to avoid doing so failed. I've used Mibbit as my primary client for a year. I take offense at your blanket statements about the "type of users that use mibbit". You are an outlier. The "type of users that use mibbit" were consistently ab…

I'm not an outlier, and I have quite a lot of data on the users of Mibbit. The vast majority are not abusive or detrimental to any community.

That was not my experience, but you and I probably have differing opinions of "detrimental", and I'm not sure how you would correlate abuse or "community detriment" with your data.

We tend to be patient with individuals (even semi-abusive ones) before resorting to crude methods such as banning.

Re: Freenode has blocked the Mibbit client permanently.

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As I said in the previous thread before mariorz deleted his own submission: This is completely stupid of Freenode. Shame on them. Axod, how do you know it’s permanent? Have they made a statement?

As someone who has been placed in the position of semi-regularly banning mibbit from freenode OSS project channels due to abusive users, I can't see how this is a bad thing. The quality of user was exceptionally low, and "easy webchat" simply doesn't seem like a strong value proposition for the technical users that frequent the network.

This is the most stupid thing i've read in this entire thread. I suppose you practice phrenology too.
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