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Re: Actualvim – Sublime Text 3 input mode powered by Vim itself

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Post by shawabawa3 »

0X1A wrote: post #34
beaumartinez wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because with this you can use Sublime Text's UI (chrome, file browser, and smooth scrolling—all better than Vim's) with Vim's input mode. Best of both worlds.

The point of vim and its key bindings is to not have to use anything other than the keyboard (and keys that are not too off from the home row), so it's not the best of both worlds at all. Having to click on something forces someone to use their mouse, breaking their concentration and wasting time on clicking on a tab.

You never have to click anything in sublime

Re: Actualvim – Sublime Text 3 input mode powered by Vim itself

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Post by leokun »

duaneb wrote: post #39
leokun wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because vim is broken. I gave up vim after 7 years because of all the segfaults, in-extensibility and just horrible code. Some of the files in the vim code base are over 20,000 lines with hundreds of ifdefs, and littered with unsafe pointer use. The code is a horrible experience to just look at, pre 1989 C style functions, mixed tabs and spaces everywhere, and the files aren't even a valid encoding of any kind whatso…

I have no idea how you make vim crash; usually it's because I attempt to search through a multigigabyte file or something. Vim may have many issues but stability is NOT one of them.

You are quite wrong, on any given day vim dev's mailing list has recent seg faults at the top of its list.

Re: Actualvim – Sublime Text 3 input mode powered by Vim itself

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Post by city41 »

aeon10 wrote: post #26

I love vim's keybindings and cant work without them. I really like sublime but i just cant leave vim's keybindings which makes me so much efficient. Last time I tried a vim emulator for sublime it didn't go so well. it wasnt as smooth and limiting. I hope someone perfects the vim+sublime combo because that would be killer.

Me too. I really love the way vim manipulates text. But I really dislike vim as a dev environment. I currently run with a bunch of plugins (nerdtree, YouCompleteMe, vim-indent-guides, ctrlp.vim, etc etc) and they all roughly do what they intend to do. But at the end of the day, I find myself tweaking my vim config a lot just to get a decent experience.

Vim feels a lot like Linux to me. When I was young I loved Linux as I really enjoyed tweaking it and hacking on it. But now I just want my OS to work and get out of the way, so I use OSX. I want the "OSX of editors", which is probably Sublime. But man do I love vim's text manipulation.

When I was a .NET dev, Visual Studio+viemu was pretty much perfect. Text manipulation via vim, project management via VS. viemu is the only vi emulator I've found that is really well done.

Re: Actualvim – Sublime Text 3 input mode powered by Vim itself

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Post by city41 »

prawks wrote: post #32
aeon10 wrote: post #26

I love vim's keybindings and cant work without them. I really like sublime but i just cant leave vim's keybindings which makes me so much efficient. Last time I tried a vim emulator for sublime it didn't go so well. it wasnt as smooth and limiting. I hope someone perfects the vim+sublime combo because that would be killer.

Ditto, in Visual Studio. I use viEmu a lot, but it has strange behavior sometimes and missing features.

It's still the best vi emulator I've found. If you know of better ones, I'd love to hear about them.

Re: Actualvim – Sublime Text 3 input mode powered by Vim itself

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Post by jonknee »

0X1A wrote: post #34
beaumartinez wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because with this you can use Sublime Text's UI (chrome, file browser, and smooth scrolling—all better than Vim's) with Vim's input mode. Best of both worlds.

The point of vim and its key bindings is to not have to use anything other than the keyboard (and keys that are not too off from the home row), so it's not the best of both worlds at all. Having to click on something forces someone to use their mouse, breaking their concentration and wasting time on clicking on a tab.

Having to click on something is different from being able to click on something. Vim doesn't let you use one of the two primary input tools of your computer--Sublime lets you use both.

To borrow your situation, if you are already using the mouse it's distracting to have to use the keyboard.

Re: Actualvim – Sublime Text 3 input mode powered by Vim itself

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Post by et1337 »

prawks wrote: post #32
aeon10 wrote: post #26

I love vim's keybindings and cant work without them. I really like sublime but i just cant leave vim's keybindings which makes me so much efficient. Last time I tried a vim emulator for sublime it didn't go so well. it wasnt as smooth and limiting. I hope someone perfects the vim+sublime combo because that would be killer.

Ditto, in Visual Studio. I use viEmu a lot, but it has strange behavior sometimes and missing features.

VsVim's implementation is very complete. http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/59ca71b3-a4a3-...

Re: Actualvim – Sublime Text 3 input mode powered by Vim itself

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Post by platz »

eyko wrote: post #36
lightblade wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't care much about backward compatibility with existing plugins. We're using vim not the plugins anyway. I justed wanted an terminal editor with vi bindings.

As long as it can parse my .vimrc (but then, that's vimscript)

Is there so much in your .vimrc that it couldn't be written in a new syntax, without that much effort? We're not talking about supporting an entire legacy software app here.

Re: Actualvim – Sublime Text 3 input mode powered by Vim itself

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Post by et1337 »

city41 wrote: post #44
prawks wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ditto, in Visual Studio. I use viEmu a lot, but it has strange behavior sometimes and missing features.

It's still the best vi emulator I've found. If you know of better ones, I'd love to hear about them.

Check out VsVim. It's pretty solid. http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/59ca71b3-a4a3-...

Re: Actualvim – Sublime Text 3 input mode powered by Vim itself

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Post by dllthomas »

beaumartinez wrote: post #18
madmax96 wrote: post #9

Why wouldn't I just use Vim (or better yet, Emacs) in the first place?

I've said this elsewhere in this thread, but— With this you can use Sublime Text's UI (chrome, file browser, and smooth scrolling—all better than Vim's) with Vim's input mode. Best of both worlds.

There do seem to be things that Sublime does better, but some of us don't want chrome. I work mostly in terminals in ratpoison for a reason...

Re: Actualvim – Sublime Text 3 input mode powered by Vim itself

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Post by dllthomas »

leokun wrote: post #40
m2mdas wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WTF are you talking about? Vim have may have many demerits but segfaults is not on that list. If segfaults are that frequent you described then people would have jumped ship already. I can't comment on the code structure of Vim but it does not matter to me because end product is working fine for me for 5+ years. Also bad code structure did not stop continuous development of Vim. Just for example there were 1000 patch…

Nope, and nope. > WTF are you talking about? Vim have may have many demerits but segfaults is not on that list. If segfaults are that frequent you described then people would have jumped ship already. Vim is all segfaults once you introduce async, and it's highly unstable during any dev work. On any given day visit the Vim dev mailing list and scroll down. Today I see: Scrolling in a c file segfaults: https://groups.…

It doesn't surprise me terribly that, in the sizable userbase, some people manage to make it segfault - particularly running unknown plugins &c. The first example you give is even found to be a bug in a compiled external extension. I've not read through any of the others...

I've been using vim pretty much daily, across many versions, over roughly two decades, and I literally do not recall encountering a segfault. I would be hugely surprised if "segfaults all the time" is a more typical experience for an individual user.

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