Live data from Hacker News

My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

linkedin.com

41–50 of 116 posts

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

#41

> Two weeks before the class was over, the head of the deployment team asked, “Steve, are you single?” Yes. “Do you like to travel?” Sure. “Why don’t you come to Korea with us when we ship the system overseas.” The first of those questions was completely unnecessary, and invited a potential employment discrimination lawsuit; it fairly directly implies they might not have made the offer if he wasn't. It would have suf…

[deleted]

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I have to work 80+ hours a week to have the absolute financial freedom to live the rest of my estimated 40-50 years on this planet in any way I chose, nevermind ensuring similar benefits accrue to my family, then I think that's a pretty good deal. I still have down time and plenty of fond memories -- you just have to plan how you spend that time a bit better. I live in a part of the world where a lack of financial…

Remember, there are two variables in the equation: (hours worked) * (hourly rate). Try to avoid the temptation to max out the left side of that equation early in your career, since you have a lot more control over the right side than you think you do. Look at what you're making now (assuming early career from the tone of your post). Now know with near certainty that you'll be making double that five years from now. M…

A very astute observation. I will note:

1. 6 years, largely and increasingly specialist financial industry work, earning 5x what I did when I started, so you're right on that point. Unfortunately some curveballs have meant the net effect on my QOL is not as great as you'd expect.

2. Only 40-50 hours of those theoretical (i.e. subject to life) 80 hours number are billable. The remainder are my attempt to escape the rat race -- what is the hourly rate of those hours? Impossible to know - that's where the risk/reward of entrepreneurship lies.

3. As far as I can tell, I have maxed out the right side as a "no name" (although it's quite difficult to know if this is true!). From what I've been reading, and what you've confirmed by saying "work on your value", the next step is to make a name for myself. This is a tricky concept for me. Any advice? My current strategy is to direct my energy at building something in my "rat race escaping" time that will draw attention to me locally, hopefully leading to new opportunities.

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

#43

> Two weeks before the class was over, the head of the deployment team asked, “Steve, are you single?” Yes. “Do you like to travel?” Sure. “Why don’t you come to Korea with us when we ship the system overseas.” The first of those questions was completely unnecessary, and invited a potential employment discrimination lawsuit; it fairly directly implies they might not have made the offer if he wasn't. It would have suf…

You're right, however life is never perfect. Most people make statements/questions off the cuff (without the assistance of a team of lawyers whispering into their earbud communicator).

So if you're in a position of responsibility over employment, sit down for an hour or two and learn the handful of questions which you should never ask, lest you get sued.

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

#44
post #37
post #6

I feel like I'm a different species when I hear someone excited about working 80+ hours a week. Having so little free time and so little time to spend with friends and family seems like a sad life regardless of the paycheck. I agree with this: "Have a passion for Doing something rather than Being a title on a business card." I also agree that "Showing up a lot increases your odds" (in this case meaning working a lot…

80+ is doable if you work from home. I often code with my daughter sitting on my lap. I also do lot of work in my head without computer.

Most of the work in software is done in head without computer. I think I effectively write code for maybe 1h-2h a day in very high intesity bursts, rest is just refining ideas/architectures in head. The latter I can do it while doing some boring house chore or while driving.

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

#45
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re not alone. I’m only awake for 80 hours during the week. Devoting half of that to a job is insane enough, thanks.

You sleep an average of 12.5 hours per day?

Hehe...only in Silicon Valley will people look at you funny because weekends are not subconsciously part of your work week.

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

#46
post #6

I feel like I'm a different species when I hear someone excited about working 80+ hours a week. Having so little free time and so little time to spend with friends and family seems like a sad life regardless of the paycheck. I agree with this: "Have a passion for Doing something rather than Being a title on a business card." I also agree that "Showing up a lot increases your odds" (in this case meaning working a lot…

My take is that it depends how you define working, or a job.

If its something you do because you have to for the money, a means to an end, then I agree with you. 80hrs is near slavery, even the standard 40 ish hrs is my idea of pure living hell. But, 80 hrs of that? No.

If, however, you are doing something you would literally be doing anyway because its "you", then the number of hours "working" is no longer relevant. Even if the job is 40hrs pw most people, who sort of are their job, will be working one way or another regardless of being in a place of work or not. When I have been in this situation, even if Im doing the family or social thing, my head is still on the project. All I want to do is leave, and keep "working". But its not "working", it is simply what I want to be doing. I just happen to be being paid. To me, that is not "work", or a "job".

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

#47
post #6

I feel like I'm a different species when I hear someone excited about working 80+ hours a week. Having so little free time and so little time to spend with friends and family seems like a sad life regardless of the paycheck. I agree with this: "Have a passion for Doing something rather than Being a title on a business card." I also agree that "Showing up a lot increases your odds" (in this case meaning working a lot…

Our company was founded on not working insane hours. From our jobs page ( http://www.polleverywhere.com/jobs ): "We do not do death marches. We do not do lockdowns. We do not believe in 80 hour work weeks as a way of life." If anybody is stuck in this kind of unnecessary insanity looking for a way out shoot me an email!

It is so fascinating to me that advertising a job as "not 80 hour work week" is a major selling point. I mean, kudos to you, you will probably attract a lot of skilled developers with this attitude. You will also get almost as much done as someone who does 80-hour weeks.

Where I live, by law you're not allowed to work more than 40 hours a week. If a company violates this, you can literally go to court and get a summary judgement to get paid for every hour beyond this you worked, plus a 40% bonus for every hour beyond 40 each week. Most companies here don't do a lot of overtime, yet we're still at the very top of the list of productivity by country.

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

#48
post #5
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://pastebin.com/9x9r2Nwb

Thanks. Also available here, from 2009 http://steveblank.com/2009/06/29/agile-opportunism-entrepren...

so you knew where an alternative source of the same post is, but chose to make that completely unnecessary post about how you don't read articles on LinkedIn, while pretending you haven't read it?

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

#49
post #16
post #6

I feel like I'm a different species when I hear someone excited about working 80+ hours a week. Having so little free time and so little time to spend with friends and family seems like a sad life regardless of the paycheck. I agree with this: "Have a passion for Doing something rather than Being a title on a business card." I also agree that "Showing up a lot increases your odds" (in this case meaning working a lot…

Maybe here they don't, but I think generally people see things your way. I don't, and I didn't, even before I got into 'tech' and started reading HN. For me, the statement 'life outside of work is more meaningful than work' just doesn't make sense. While I do treat 'work time' slightly differently than 'free time', the difference is not so great for me. It's mostly to keep some ritual and prevent weeks turning into l…

People avoid talking about work on Fridays because for the most part it boring to listen to. That's not to say interesting things don't happen at work but for someone that's not directly involved making or missing say a major project deadline is irrelevant to them. And the specific's of designing a new CPU / Space Probe / Power Supply rarely interests someone in say Marketing.

Sure after a few years you may pick up a few generally interesting story's, but there rare and people only want to listen to those story's once.

Re: My First Job: Fired and Rehired on Day 1

#50
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. Also available here, from 2009 http://steveblank.com/2009/06/29/agile-opportunism-entrepren...

so you knew where an alternative source of the same post is, but chose to make that completely unnecessary post about how you don't read articles on LinkedIn, while pretending you haven't read it?

Maybe he doesn't click linkedin links because they track and report what you've viewed if you're logged in, but once it was on pastebin he was happy to give the original source.
Post reply on HN