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Why It's So Hard to Get From Brooklyn to Queens

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Re: Why It's So Hard to Get From Brooklyn to Queens

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Did they forget about the G train??

I took the G 4 miles. It took 47 minutes. I am not exaggerating those numbers for comedic effect.

Checking in to say that I rode the G once from park slope to Williamsburg for a "quick dinner." The ride took over an hour each way. That's when I decided to never ride it again.

Re: Why It's So Hard to Get From Brooklyn to Queens

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Also in the category of boroughs hard to reach from Brooklyn without a car or undue delay: Staten Island. Today, three of its four bridges prohibit pedestrians and none have subway connections. One of those bridges (to NJ) used to have a pedestrian and cycle way, but a few years after the Streetcar Scandal it was removed as part of an expansion (!) orchestrated by Robert Moses. Look him up to find out more about the…

The history isn't that bizarre. Robert Moses simply despised anyone that wasn't rich, and spent his entire career trying to make the city even more miserable than it already was for the poor. If you're rich, you don't bike to Staten Island, plain and simple -- you drive a glorious automocar. It's ironic because now all the rich people want to bury his highways underground.

> The history isn't that bizarre. Robert Moses simply despised anyone that wasn't rich, and spent his entire career trying to make the city even more miserable than it already was for the poor.

Robert Moses is a great example of the problems of unchecked power and hubris, even if ostensibly well-intentioned. But he absolutely democratized Long Island, which was an idyllic enclave of gigantic estates and private beaches before he built the LIE, Northern and Southern State Parkways, Jones Beach, etc.

He pissed off a lot of rich people in doing this.

Re: Why It's So Hard to Get From Brooklyn to Queens

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post #88

What did the trolleys provide that today's bus system does not?

That's an important point overlooked by those who are wistful for trolleys. Buses at least can change routes. Trolleys were from a time when few had cars and spending lots of money on a fixed route was efficient. Now it's not.

So perhaps the actual blame lies not with the change from trolleys to buses, but rather the change from light traffic to heavy traffic, as the automobile industry took off.

Re: Why It's So Hard to Get From Brooklyn to Queens

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A taxi refusing a fare at all (inside or outside) is against TLC rules and the driver will be fined / have their license suspended if you report them.

The fine is tiny, though.

Not really. If I recall correctly, three such reports within two years results in the taxi medallion being revoked.

Re: Why It's So Hard to Get From Brooklyn to Queens

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This story is one of the big reasons LA (despite the weather) is not a great place to live. It has been unwalkable with a few exceptions. Though public transit is being slowly rebuilt from destruction, talk to most Angelenos and they don't even know there is a subway, much less use it. Also, there is a certain segment of the population that fights denser development that would encourage transit improvements. I don't…

> Also, there is a certain segment of the population that fights denser development that would encourage transit improvements. I don't really understand why such a person would live in Hollywood, for example. Walkscore.com gives Hollywood a Walk Score of 97, which is described as a "Walker's Paradise" which means that daily errands do not require a car, or it gives it an 87, which means most daily errands do not requ…

I don't think this is really a contradiction. I took GP to be complaining about Hollywood residents who want to force everyone to drive. These creatures do exist, and they deserve our scorn, at least partially for the hypocrisy inherent in their preference.

I'm not familiar with Walkscore.com, but somehow I wonder if they base any of the score on ease of commuting to work.

Re: Why It's So Hard to Get From Brooklyn to Queens

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Another possibility would be to build all the planned subway extensions in Queens; Brooklyn already has good subway service, and a few more lines connecting the two boroughs would not hurt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IND_Second_System While we are at it, let's actually make use of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockaway_Beach_Branch

Build it? With whose money? The city's finances have been a disaster since 2008 and they've only been scraping by with a series of unsustainable tricks. The next mayor will almost certainly be Bill de Blasio, whose top agenda item is basically to spending a lot more money on the city's unionized labor. (His next agenda item is to revive rent control, because the War Emergency Tenant Protection Act apparently hasn't d…

...spending a lot more money on the city's unionized labor.

I must be misunderstanding something. Aren't big public works projects a pretty reliable method for achieving this goal?

Re: Why It's So Hard to Get From Brooklyn to Queens

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post #79

> Ever try to get from Brooklyn to Queens, two of the most populated boroughs of New York City? Without a car, it's nearly impossible, as most subway lines require one to go through Manhattan first. Could someone explain this to those of us who have never been to New York and whose only knowledge of its subways comes from TV and movies? The impression I get from subway travel as depicted on TV and in movies is that t…

It's the distance, average speed and the number of stops that the trains make. Trains depart frequently during the rush hour (4-7 minute wait, depending on the line), but at night wait times could be 30+ minutes. Trains are also quite slow, compared to some of the more modern systems around the world - because of tight curves, narrow tunnels, lots of complicated crossings and frequent repair work.

So even a one-seat ride (no transfer) between the "outer" boroughs through Manhattan could take a really long time. Add in a few connections, and fuhgeddaboutit.

The truly awesome thing about NY subway is that it never closes, except in significant weather emergencies, so even in the dead of the night you can get from A to B, if you have to. It could take an eternity, though.

Re: Why It's So Hard to Get From Brooklyn to Queens

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post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This story is one of the big reasons LA (despite the weather) is not a great place to live. It has been unwalkable with a few exceptions. Though public transit is being slowly rebuilt from destruction, talk to most Angelenos and they don't even know there is a subway, much less use it. Also, there is a certain segment of the population that fights denser development that would encourage transit improvements. I don't…

> Also, there is a certain segment of the population that fights denser development that would encourage transit improvements. I don't really understand why such a person would live in Hollywood, for example. Walkscore.com gives Hollywood a Walk Score of 97, which is described as a "Walker's Paradise" which means that daily errands do not require a car, or it gives it an 87, which means most daily errands do not requ…

Hmm, there's a lot unsaid in the thread and details that cloud the discussion if we dug in. The example I was thinking of was in Hollywood, but I don't know how many of the negative commenters were actually residents.

While Hollywood does have the metro and is largely walkable, other vast areas of it are used solely as surface parking lots that look like urban blight to most folks. Expanding to the rest of LA, I see the same complaints over and over, as if turning asphalt jungle into homes and businesses were a bad thing.

The point of that paragraph was that if a person wants to live in suburbia they should not reside in the center of a mega-city.

Re: Why It's So Hard to Get From Brooklyn to Queens

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The fine is tiny, though.

Not really. If I recall correctly, three such reports within two years results in the taxi medallion being revoked.

Not the medallion which is generally not owned by the driver and worth mid six to low seven figures, but the driver's hack license is endangered by multiple violation of TLC's rules.
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