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Re: NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide

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The NSA requires money to operate, huge amounts of money . If that black funding was cut, they wouldn't be able to pay off GCHQ for example to provide hacks like this. If those programs were eliminated, the funding would stop, and you can't redirect that level of funding from other projects without someone noticing. Obama is complicit with this system and quite happy for it continue.

"...If that black funding was cut..." How would you know? The answer is, essentially, "Trust". You would trust the politicians when they say that the funding had been cut. The politicians, in their turn, would trust the functionaries when they say no funding was going into communications monitoring. What if you don't trust the politicians or the functionaries... do you have any method of validating the elimination of…

What if you don't trust the politicians or the functionaries... do you have any method of validating the elimination of the funding not based on "Trust"?

Gov accounts are prepared and audited by civil servants. At a certain point a conspiracy is too large to be controlled, and I'd suggest managing to divert hundreds of millions from other budgets is a conspiracy just too large to hide from an entire people when gov. accounts are public. I'm all for official oversight as well by politicians, but politicians could easily cut funding for this sort of activity if they wanted to.

Obama certainly doesn't want to, for whatever reason, as evidenced by the his disingenuous lies about this topic to the public (no one is reading your email) and the way he left Clapper in power after lying to congress and proposed fig-leaf reform, not real reform.

"Redirecting that level of funding... without someone noticing..." is their job

No, it's not. Their job is spying on enemies of their country, nothing more, nothing less. In peacetime that should be a pretty simple job of spying on a few terrorist networks using targeted attacks.

Re: NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide

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Offtopic, but there's a problem on this site with this kind of story now. I'm not sure if it's the flamewar detection, or flagging, or some other automated system, but stories like this which are very popular and not remotely a flamewar, but an interesting discussion, are disappearing off the home page too fast in my opinion. This is a topic that will define a generation's attitude to technology and the internet, and…

Going out on a limb here because this does not make sense to me either. But maybe this has something to do with the fact that the valley built all of the software used to support this, quietly invested in it all in 2010 for undisclosed amounts at least in the tens of billions and approaching or exceeding 100 billion, and the money doesn't want it on the front page of one of the most popular news sites?

By money i mean this money that keeps its actions shadier than the NSA: https://angel.co/emc https://angel.co/emc-ventures

Re: NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide

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Now wait... It isn't surprising that inside the datacenters most traffic flows unencrypted, but not encrypting links between datacenters? Well...

You can always encrypt on the client, so the Google data centers are just pushing encrypted blobs around. It makes like a bit more complex, but PGP can be used for mail and here's how to protect GDrive files: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6644888 Remember these revelations date from a year or two ago, who knows what they're up to now?

You can always encrypt on the client, yes. But it is surprising that an entity such as Google doesn't understand that links between datacenters have multiple points out of Google's control where traffic can be intercepted.

Re: NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide

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That's why, ironically, the best hope for privacy-minded US citizens (like a good part of HN readers) comes from outside governments. People like Brazilian president, Dilma Rousseff, that had the courage to cancel state visits and declaring outraged by the state-sponsored spying supported by the Obama Administration. We need many more governments standing up and threatening to cut commercial ties with the US, until w…

France and Germany can't. They are both export based economies.

Yeah, but chancellor Merkel must be really pissed off with all the latest shenanigans [1] by her friends across the pond...

And everybody else must be really pissed off with the latest documents. Here's the punch line:

> Intercepting communications overseas has clear advantages for the NSA, with looser restrictions and less oversight. NSA documents about the effort refer directly to “full take,” “bulk access” and “high volume” operations on Yahoo and Google networks. Such large-scale collection of Internet content would be illegal in the United States, but the operations take place overseas, where the NSA is allowed to presume that anyone using a foreign data link is a foreigner.

[1] http://electrospaces.blogspot.nl/2013/10/how-nsa-targeted-ch...

[2] http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-in...

Re: NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide

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A better use of all that money would be to play the lobbying game the enemies of freedom so effectively play. This is the the thing I completely fail to understand. If all these huge tech firms with all this cash really care about privacy, people, US reputation, etc, then why are they not pouring their money in to politics like, say, the weapons manufacturers do? Why aren't they "buying" politicians?

I think a more sensible use of the money would be to 'fix' the ability to buy whatever legislation you want. Its really not a democracy any more when those wealthy enough can buy whatever legislation they want.

Unfortunately I think a real sense of democracy is long gone. We are left having the play the only game left in town. Buy your influence then, influence.

Re: NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide

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Sorry, that's the funniest thing I've read all week. An American president with a moral backbone? Give me a break. That's like expecting it to rain candyfloss. The presidency is a hollow man, a figurehead - it's all just a show to make you think you have a democracy. The tail wags the dog, and entrenched non-elected interests run the show, through corruption, lobbying (corruption), and special interests (corruption).

Lost in all the America hate is the fact that the tapping of Google and Yahoo was done by the British. The whole west is complicit but only America gets the hate so it can continue easily.

Britain is equally broken - and as you say, the whole west is complicit, and all, to varying degrees, suffer from the same malaise.

Re: NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide

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Curious to see who will continue to still use their products...

How would not using their products resolve the issue with the NSA? If people switched to other providers than other providers will get accessed like Google.

> How would not using their products resolve the issue with the NSA?

One point would be: Google might feel a change in their bottom line and might actually start thinking about banding together with the other tech giants to be able to actively fight the NSA, instead of staying complicit.

Re: NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide

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Where you see a taunting smiley, I see a developer who's just happy to have made a breakthrough on his project.

His abhorrent project. This is not something to be proud of. Being a professional means answering to a set of ethics before acting like a kindergartner who's proud of his macaroni picture.

Right, but obviously his ethics and your ethics do not match.

Re: NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide

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> The last men claim to have discovered happiness, but blink every time they say so.

I guess I don't understand the blink reference

Blinking after saying something is commonly associated with being a good lie detector. Nietzsche wrote that in the 1800s and it's still apparently relevant:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2589073/Liars-are-exposed-by...

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