The new #startups is on irc.mibbit.net
why?, I mean, Freenode > Mibbit IMHO, its like I stop using Twitter because they blocked Tweetdeck.
see my other comment on this thread: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=665259
Freenode has blocked the Mibbit client permanently.
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Re: Freenode has blocked the Mibbit client permanently.
#12As I said in the previous thread before mariorz deleted his own submission: This is completely stupid of Freenode. Shame on them. Axod, how do you know it’s permanent? Have they made a statement?
Statement by freenode because of the block http://blog.freenode.net/2009/06/new-freenode-webchat-and-wh... Analysis: Seems like mibbit was being abused and it was difficult for freenode to combat the abuse. Freenode eventually just got fed up with all the time required to fix the problem. It was too easy to get on mibbit to evade a ban to screw with a channel.
They also claim that the communication and collaboration with Mibbit wasn't easy.
Direct link to their new web IRC client: http://webchat.freenode.net/
Re: Freenode has blocked the Mibbit client permanently.
#13why splitting community ? shame
[17:30] it's called +m [17:30] it works like this [17:30] * swombat sets the channel mode to 'moderated'.
Re: Freenode has blocked the Mibbit client permanently.
#14axod - you might want to handle widgets and other things in a nicer way: http://www.bikechatter.com/chat , by for instance, just saying up front that freenode is broken.
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#15Re: Freenode has blocked the Mibbit client permanently.
#16As I said in the previous thread before mariorz deleted his own submission: This is completely stupid of Freenode. Shame on them. Axod, how do you know it’s permanent? Have they made a statement?
As someone who has been placed in the position of semi-regularly banning mibbit from freenode OSS project channels due to abusive users, I can't see how this is a bad thing. The quality of user was exceptionally low, and "easy webchat" simply doesn't seem like a strong value proposition for the technical users that frequent the network.
Agreed. Maybe it's not very nice, but I kind of think that anyone incapable of installing a proper IRC client probably shouldn't be using IRC in the first place.
The situation on, say, the ruby-talk mailing list is analogous; whenever you see a really, really stupid question, check out the submitter - chances are it's through one of the web interfaces to the ML.
The necessity of installing and configuring an IRC client to use freenode is an example of a good barrier to entry.
Re: Freenode has blocked the Mibbit client permanently.
#17As I said in the previous thread before mariorz deleted his own submission: This is completely stupid of Freenode. Shame on them. Axod, how do you know it’s permanent? Have they made a statement?
As someone who has been placed in the position of semi-regularly banning mibbit from freenode OSS project channels due to abusive users, I can't see how this is a bad thing. The quality of user was exceptionally low, and "easy webchat" simply doesn't seem like a strong value proposition for the technical users that frequent the network.
> "easy webchat" simply doesn't seem like a strong value proposition for the technical users that frequent the network.
Which is why they saw to it to create their own web chat...
Re: Freenode has blocked the Mibbit client permanently.
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
As someone who has been placed in the position of semi-regularly banning mibbit from freenode OSS project channels due to abusive users, I can't see how this is a bad thing. The quality of user was exceptionally low, and "easy webchat" simply doesn't seem like a strong value proposition for the technical users that frequent the network.
Agreed. Maybe it's not very nice, but I kind of think that anyone incapable of installing a proper IRC client probably shouldn't be using IRC in the first place. The situation on, say, the ruby-talk mailing list is analogous; whenever you see a really, really stupid question, check out the submitter - chances are it's through one of the web interfaces to the ML. The necessity of installing and configuring an IRC clie…
* Going http is a nice way to get around firewalls. Sure, I can tunnel through SSH to my server, but that is a bit harder and not everyone has a server to tunnel to.
* Part of axod's idea, from what I gather, is simply to provide a nice chat system, that happens to have IRC as a backend. Would you say that people who can't install a proper nntp/smtp/whatever client shouldn't be allowed either? How 'bout twitter, to pick something popular? How about people who need help setting up an online store presence because they can't code it themselves? We owe the existence of this site to pg knocking down that particular barrier to entry.
Now, the question of abusive users is another one, and one that deserves to be taken seriously. But I have no idea about how axod handles that side of things.
Re: Freenode has blocked the Mibbit client permanently.
#19there is a webirc project in the works for freenode if i know correctly, its based on quakenets qwebirc (which is a lot nicer then mibbit, but of course YMMV)
The reason people are moving to the new #startups is not to use mibbit's client (I'm using Colloquy on the Mac), but rather to show solidarity for axod.
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#20I know the "official" reason, but I'm curious if there's any correlation between the blocking of mibbit and axod's post about how much revenue mibbit was making here (http://axod.blogspot.com/2009/06/revenue-browser.html) - the timing is awfully suspicious.
I mean, a day after the post they "magically" have their own web client up that they would rather you use.
I had a look at the qwebirc client they implemented, default installation right now (looks like it was just thrown up) no ads yet, wondering how long before that changes?
EDIT - well it seems that in part some of the argument from freenode's perspective is about money.
(00:44:02) axod: nenolod: and please explain what incentive I would have to falsify such information
(00:44:17) nenolod: axod: assistance with ban evasion in exchange for money
(00:44:26) axod: nenolod: seriouslly?
(00:44:30) nenolod: axod: seriously.
(00:44:33) axod: lol