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Patent war goes nuclear: Microsoft, Apple-owned “Rockstar” sues Google

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Re: Patent war goes nuclear: Microsoft, Apple-owned “Rockstar” sues Google

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Post by hoverbear »

regal wrote: post #51
bpodgursky wrote: post #18

I know it's been said before, but to reiterate: outrage doesn't help anything, but buying products from these companies DOES hurt. If you're truly outraged enough to want to take action, take action - writing to your representatives - donating to the EFF or other organizations - by not donating another $2k to Apple for a new Mac*, implicitly endorsing these bullshit tactics - not developing for those platforms (App S…

The bigger outrage in smart phones is the fact that Android exists in the first place - thanks to a little industrial espionage on Apple's board. [1] I know where my wallet voting's going. [1] http://www.forbes.com/sites/robenderle/2011/11/11/you-the-ju...

Your source is terribly written (grammar and spelling mistakes abound) and is blatantly bias towards Apple.

Re: Patent war goes nuclear: Microsoft, Apple-owned “Rockstar” sues Google

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Post by mortale »

37prime wrote: post #38

Frank Shaw of Microsoft revealed that Google was invited to jointly bid Nortel’s Patent Portfolio but declined. http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/03/microsoft-just-kicked-googl... http://technologizer.com/2011/08/04/google-shows-how-not-to-... Take everything with at least a boulder of salt before turning to an emotional being.

That is microsoft's story, however if I recall correctly, if google were to have bid with the others, the deal was structured such that they couldn't protect android partners. So the lawsuits against android would happen anyway with the difference being google sponsoring the patent trolling against its own android OEMs.

But yeah, "invited".

Re: Patent war goes nuclear: Microsoft, Apple-owned “Rockstar” sues Google

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Post by curveship »

37prime wrote: post #49
ekianjo wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that's the right thing to do. Punish the ones who use Patents to attack other companies.

So you’d punish Google too? Edit: Cached version instead of the bloodsucking WSJ paywalled version. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zoneG32...

You realize that suit was from before the two companies merged.

Re: Patent war goes nuclear: Microsoft, Apple-owned “Rockstar” sues Google

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Post by throwaway98604 »

bstar77 wrote: post #63
throwaway98604 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm honestly starting to regret choosing to learn Objective-C now. I am seriously considering learning Android development and ditching my Macbook / iPhone for a Nexus 5 and some sort of linux distro. People like me are making this whole situation significantly worse by contributing software to Apple's platform.

This comment is ridiculous. The big players have been playing a patent chess game since 2007. Don't forget Google bid for these patents as well and it's completely ignorant to think they would have not exercised their billion $+ purchase. Google took the initiative a year ago with their Motorola patent portfolio, Samsung took the initiative with their FRAND patents, Apple took the initiative with their design portfol…

It's only partially about taking the morally high ground; I'm afraid Apple is going to start losing significant market share.

i.e. I always hear of friends and colleagues who switch from the iPhone to Android (and not vice-versa). And from what I've seen Google is also actually making significant improvements Android's API instead of Apple's method of just making aesthetic changes (and some argue making it worse).

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Post by pkaler »

37prime wrote: post #59
regal wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bigger outrage in smart phones is the fact that Android exists in the first place - thanks to a little industrial espionage on Apple's board. [1] I know where my wallet voting's going. [1] http://www.forbes.com/sites/robenderle/2011/11/11/you-the-ju...

I am Secretary Not Sure if I could read anything by Rob Enderle. Please find a better, umm more reliable source.

Your logical fallacy is: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

Conveniently, there is a bullet point list of 5 items in the middle of that article. You are free to disagree with any of those points: http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html

Re: Patent war goes nuclear: Microsoft, Apple-owned “Rockstar” sues Google

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Post by eropple »

anko wrote: post #64
cageface wrote: post #42

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If it makes any difference I'd say Android development is mostly a lot more logical and sane than iOS, particularly now that Apple is shoving the tragic catastrophe of an API that is AutoLayout down everybody's throat. Don't let the fragmentation FUD scare you.

What do you mean by fragmentation FUD? Are you seriously saying that android isn't more fragmented than iOS? There are 5 resolutions to support in iOS. For most purposes, there are only 2 versions to support. What's the situation like on android? Just because you don't understand an API, doesn't mean you should trash it. Writing APIs is hard. Last I checked I couldn't have more than 1 map on a screen on android with…

> What's the situation like on android?

Screen resolution is almost meaningless on Android. Form factor is what matters. Phone (1280x720 being the floor for remotely new devices), small tablet, large tablet.

Re: Patent war goes nuclear: Microsoft, Apple-owned “Rockstar” sues Google

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Post by ekianjo »

camus2 wrote: post #48
throwaway98604 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm honestly starting to regret choosing to learn Objective-C now. I am seriously considering learning Android development and ditching my Macbook / iPhone for a Nexus 5 and some sort of linux distro. People like me are making this whole situation significantly worse by contributing software to Apple's platform.

It has nothing to do with you buying a mac. It's basically big corps trying to shoot down each other,it's war. It will not end google search,dont worry,worst case google will have to pay a few billion but they can afford it. Remember these corporations are using patents as nuclear dissuasion tools,we are not really in patent trolling here.IMHO Google is not better than the rest.

Google paying a "few billions" will impact their company as a whole: a few billions lost, means these billions are not invested somewhere else, and patents may have other insidious consequences, such as restraining the internal innovation at Google because of past experiences with Patent trolls.

And as I said in another post, Google has a different stance on patents. So far, they pledged not to use them in an aggressive way. Maybe they'll change their mind in the long run, but they have not been very aggressive in that field so far.

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Post by vincie »

Non-Americans watching this - make sure you organize however you can to stop the American disease spreading to your country. Watch your politicians carefully for any sign that they might want to implement their patent systems in your country. Good luck.

Re: Patent war goes nuclear: Microsoft, Apple-owned “Rockstar” sues Google

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Post by pedalpete »

camus2 wrote: post #48
throwaway98604 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm honestly starting to regret choosing to learn Objective-C now. I am seriously considering learning Android development and ditching my Macbook / iPhone for a Nexus 5 and some sort of linux distro. People like me are making this whole situation significantly worse by contributing software to Apple's platform.

It has nothing to do with you buying a mac. It's basically big corps trying to shoot down each other,it's war. It will not end google search,dont worry,worst case google will have to pay a few billion but they can afford it. Remember these corporations are using patents as nuclear dissuasion tools,we are not really in patent trolling here.IMHO Google is not better than the rest.

However, what the original commenter is saying is that he is trying to make an impact against this action by not giving his money to the companies that are taking this action.

Your attitude suggesting that company revenues have nothing to do with the actions of the company is simply suggesting that people don't vote with their dollars, or maybe that they shouldn't, which is wrong.

Corporations exist to make money, if they make decisions you disagree with, you should not spend your money on their products. You should do what you can to let them know that reason x,y,z is the reason you're not spending your money with them. Enough of a groundswell and that will change.

Interestingly in this case, if a large enough mass of people bought Android phones specifically because of this lawsuit, that is a double-wammy for Apple and Microsoft in the mobile space, and it gives Google a few dollars to pay for the patent suit.

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