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Top Hospitals Opt Out of Obamacare

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Re: Top Hospitals Opt Out of Obamacare

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This is going to precipitate one of two things: If hospitals get federal money for anything they will be required to accept insurance offered on the exchange that meet some minimum qualification. At least the two that were blessed as the national options. Or insurance companies will be required to put an offering on the exchange...likely both. Like the states refusing to expand Medicaid and set up their exchanges, th…

Maybe they'll opt out of "single payer" as well.

Re: Top Hospitals Opt Out of Obamacare

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A few, like No. 1-rated Johns Hopkins in Maryland, are mandated under state law to accept all insurance companies That sounds like a totally sane statutory requirement. Why don't more states have it? Collusion between hospital chains and insurers is the crux of the health care cost problem in the US.

If they are required to do business with one another how do they negotiate a price?

Lots of companies that are required to do business with each other (eg. utilities and the rest of the private sector or large retailers and large consumer goods companies) are able to do it, why would a statutory requirement be any different?

Re: Top Hospitals Opt Out of Obamacare

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A few, like No. 1-rated Johns Hopkins in Maryland, are mandated under state law to accept all insurance companies That sounds like a totally sane statutory requirement. Why don't more states have it? Collusion between hospital chains and insurers is the crux of the health care cost problem in the US.

Johns Hopkins is a "chain" hospital?

No, but most hospitals are.

Re: Top Hospitals Opt Out of Obamacare

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A few, like No. 1-rated Johns Hopkins in Maryland, are mandated under state law to accept all insurance companies That sounds like a totally sane statutory requirement. Why don't more states have it? Collusion between hospital chains and insurers is the crux of the health care cost problem in the US.

I'm guessing current laws were written around the "managed care" (HMO/PPO) system, the previous (70s-90s) attempt at healthcare reform.

For that one, the theory was that the payment/administration bureaucracy was the cause of the health care cost problem, and that by having insurance companies buy hospital service in bulk rather than doing individual-service billing the overhead could be reduced and accountability would be increased. This requires insurers to be able to assign customers to hospitals and doctors that work for them for it to work.

Re: Top Hospitals Opt Out of Obamacare

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This is going to precipitate one of two things: If hospitals get federal money for anything they will be required to accept insurance offered on the exchange that meet some minimum qualification. At least the two that were blessed as the national options. Or insurance companies will be required to put an offering on the exchange...likely both. Like the states refusing to expand Medicaid and set up their exchanges, th…

Sometimes I wonder if some genius "systems thinkers" in Washington planned that out as the end game all along. Add in the factor that some states have almost no hospitals, thus the insurance companies have no leverage to lower premiums, which leads to why certain states have very high ACA premiums. Theoretically the free market says that another hospital would pop up to compete on price, but theory ain't practice...

Re: Top Hospitals Opt Out of Obamacare

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This is going to precipitate one of two things: If hospitals get federal money for anything they will be required to accept insurance offered on the exchange that meet some minimum qualification. At least the two that were blessed as the national options. Or insurance companies will be required to put an offering on the exchange...likely both. Like the states refusing to expand Medicaid and set up their exchanges, th…

Sometimes I wonder if some genius "systems thinkers" in Washington planned that out as the end game all along. Add in the factor that some states have almost no hospitals, thus the insurance companies have no leverage to lower premiums, which leads to why certain states have very high ACA premiums. Theoretically the free market says that another hospital would pop up to compete on price, but theory ain't practice...

The insurance companies supported and lobbied for the ACA -- which was the only reason it barely passed -- because they thought they were getting a gigantic payday from the employer mandate. With that gone they're doing their best to either kill the law or perhaps lean on it hard enough to get vastly broader subsidies to make it worth their while.

The 11-dimensional chess idea that passing a law to destroy the individual insurance market is going to bank-shot into single payer would require an absolutely massive outbreak of corporate and public support that really doesn't have any reason to appear.

Re: Top Hospitals Opt Out of Obamacare

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they are required to do business with one another how do they negotiate a price?

You set the price based on what is reasonable and customary. Like Medicare.

There are lots of doctors who don't accept Medicare patients because the reimbursement rates are too low.

Re: Top Hospitals Opt Out of Obamacare

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This is going to precipitate one of two things: If hospitals get federal money for anything they will be required to accept insurance offered on the exchange that meet some minimum qualification. At least the two that were blessed as the national options. Or insurance companies will be required to put an offering on the exchange...likely both. Like the states refusing to expand Medicaid and set up their exchanges, th…

Sometimes I wonder if some genius "systems thinkers" in Washington planned that out as the end game all along. Add in the factor that some states have almost no hospitals, thus the insurance companies have no leverage to lower premiums, which leads to why certain states have very high ACA premiums. Theoretically the free market says that another hospital would pop up to compete on price, but theory ain't practice...

> Theoretically the free market says that another hospital would pop up to compete on price, but theory ain't practice

It is illegal to start a new hospital to compete on price with the existing ones. To open a new hospital, you need permission from the current existing hospitals. If they don't agree that the community you want to do business in is "underserved", you can't get licensed.

And yes, that policy is insane, moronic, a source of monopoly rents and probably one of the many reasons health care costs are so out of control. But it's the law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_of_need

Re: Top Hospitals Opt Out of Obamacare

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes I wonder if some genius "systems thinkers" in Washington planned that out as the end game all along. Add in the factor that some states have almost no hospitals, thus the insurance companies have no leverage to lower premiums, which leads to why certain states have very high ACA premiums. Theoretically the free market says that another hospital would pop up to compete on price, but theory ain't practice...

> Theoretically the free market says that another hospital would pop up to compete on price, but theory ain't practice It is illegal to start a new hospital to compete on price with the existing ones. To open a new hospital, you need permission from the current existing hospitals. If they don't agree that the community you want to do business in is "underserved", you can't get licensed. And yes, that policy is insane…

Wow. That is the best example of regulatory capture I've ever seen.

I love the rationalization: "If there are too many hospitals many hospitals and doctors my recommend unnecessary hospitalization or overcharge existing patients to cover their overhead".

Amazing.

Re: Top Hospitals Opt Out of Obamacare

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You set the price based on what is reasonable and customary. Like Medicare.

There are lots of doctors who don't accept Medicare patients because the reimbursement rates are too low.

... which is why there's laws like the aforementioned Maryland law that requires them to accept all insurance.
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