It’s time for Silicon Valley to ask: Is it worth it?
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It’s time for Silicon Valley to ask: Is it worth it?
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#3One thing I find interesting is that it's somehow okay as long as it's directed at 'the foreigners'. Who are these foreigners?
Is it Sergey Brin or Larry Page, before they moved to the US? Elon Musk? Peter Thiel?
Many Americans need not look further than their grandparents to see a 'foreigner' (and, excluding a few natives, the entire nation has been built by foreigners). Would it not makes sense to show the same courtesy for peoples privacy to people who weren't necessarily born here.
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#4"Now, Silicon Valley needs to join them." - because we otherwise approve of the snooping, but for this latest outrage?
I'm honestly wondering - what's the other side of this? Who's defending and explaining this? I have not seen an article that "takes the other side" in some time, and that might be a result of the echo chamber that is the bay area...
Or it might be the result of an "intelligence community" that really IS in its own world; intentionally blocked from any outside observation and judgment, taking actions that, honestly, really don't have many if any supporters.
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#5I don't know. If some one charged me with gathering intel I would be drawing up all sorts of battle plans, including weakness analyses like these. Hell, I would even try them out in the field. I would consider this my JOB.
Re: It’s time for Silicon Valley to ask: Is it worth it?
#6One thing I find interesting is that it's somehow okay as long as it's directed at 'the foreigners'. Who are these foreigners? Is it Sergey Brin or Larry Page, before they moved to the US? Elon Musk? Peter Thiel? Many Americans need not look further than their grandparents to see a 'foreigner' (and, excluding a few natives, the entire nation has been built by foreigners). Would it not makes sense to show the same cou…
It's not okay; it's still morally questionable at best.
But it is infinitely more legal. The government has all sorts of restrictions on what it can do (e.g., the 4th amendment), that apply to citizens, but not foreign nationals.
If they are not even bothering to respect the distinction, it's the case that they violate both the spirit and the letter of the law without a care; it's a much more dangerous position of disrespect for regulation.
Re: It’s time for Silicon Valley to ask: Is it worth it?
#7One thing I find interesting is that it's somehow okay as long as it's directed at 'the foreigners'. Who are these foreigners? Is it Sergey Brin or Larry Page, before they moved to the US? Elon Musk? Peter Thiel? Many Americans need not look further than their grandparents to see a 'foreigner' (and, excluding a few natives, the entire nation has been built by foreigners). Would it not makes sense to show the same cou…
As a "foreigner", I don't really have a problem with that. Covertly gaining advantage for their own team is what spies are supposed to do.
The rest of the world needs to encrypt and, where possible, route around the damaged areas.
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#8I don't know. If some one charged me with gathering intel I would be drawing up all sorts of battle plans, including weakness analyses like these. Hell, I would even try them out in the field. I would consider this my JOB.
The relevant questions here would be _who_ tasked you to do this and _why_. Working on technology to be used for indiscriminate surveilance is simply outside of my ethics. I would resign rather than do this job. Obviously not everyone agrees, but there are plenty of tech people who have a strong moral compass which prevents them from doing this kind of work.
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Re: It’s time for Silicon Valley to ask: Is it worth it?
#10One thing I find interesting is that it's somehow okay as long as it's directed at 'the foreigners'. Who are these foreigners? Is it Sergey Brin or Larry Page, before they moved to the US? Elon Musk? Peter Thiel? Many Americans need not look further than their grandparents to see a 'foreigner' (and, excluding a few natives, the entire nation has been built by foreigners). Would it not makes sense to show the same cou…
It's not okay ; it's still morally questionable at best . But it is infinitely more legal. The government has all sorts of restrictions on what it can do (e.g., the 4th amendment), that apply to citizens, but not foreign nationals. If they are not even bothering to respect the distinction, it's the case that they violate both the spirit and the letter of the law without a care; it's a much more dangerous position of…
The government has all sorts of restrictions on what it can do (e.g., the 4th amendment), that apply to citizens, but not foreign nationals.
Are you sure about that? IANAL, and I've not kept up with more recent laws, but the forth doesn't say anything about "citizens", it says "people".