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The Logic of “Stupid” Poor People

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Re: The Logic of “Stupid” Poor People

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An equally good question is why to poor people vote republican? Because they want to belong. And through financial osmosis people who vote republican become rich, right? That is the thinking anyway.

Wait, where did you read that poor people vote republican? I would've guessed otherwise.

Poor in urban areas = Democrat

Poor in rural areas = Republican

Re: The Logic of “Stupid” Poor People

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An equally good question is why to poor people vote republican? Because they want to belong. And through financial osmosis people who vote republican become rich, right? That is the thinking anyway.

I consider myself poor, and although I vote for a third-party I do vote against programs that would help me financially. I do so because I consider them unfair to others and poor government, so on principle, I vote against my own financial interests at times.

Re: The Logic of “Stupid” Poor People

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An equally good question is why to poor people vote republican? Because they want to belong. And through financial osmosis people who vote republican become rich, right? That is the thinking anyway.

If I had to put myself in a poor Republican voter's shoes, maybe I vote Republican because I'm too proud to admit that I need help lifting myself out of the shithole of my life. Maybe I don't want to be pandered too by the Democrats because I am working my ass off and I can't seem to catch a break. Maybe I don't want to be where I am today, but I don't know how to be somewhere else tommorrow.

I've known a lot of people in bad situations and most of them where hard working men and women that take nothing for granted.

The ones that do...well when you reduce the budget of a welfare system to the point where every dollar HAS to go to those in need, you don't leave a whole lot to oversight and investigation of fraud.

Re: The Logic of “Stupid” Poor People

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An equally good question is why to poor people vote republican? Because they want to belong. And through financial osmosis people who vote republican become rich, right? That is the thinking anyway.

Wait, where did you read that poor people vote republican? I would've guessed otherwise.

"Lower-income and less educated whites also have shifted substantially toward the Republican Party since 2008. The GOP has largely erased the wide lead Democrats had among white voters with family incomes less than $30,000." [0]

Although the graphs on [1] tell a slightly different story.

[0] - http://www.people-press.org/2012/08/23/a-closer-look-at-the-... [1] - http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012/09/26/161841771/how-inco...

Re: The Logic of “Stupid” Poor People

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An equally good question is why to poor people vote republican? Because they want to belong. And through financial osmosis people who vote republican become rich, right? That is the thinking anyway.

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." -- John Steinbeck

And the whole "it has never worked anywhere else" thing. That might factor into it.

Re: The Logic of “Stupid” Poor People

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post #20

While I agree with the sentiment, I don't think her arguments are very strong. I personally think people make bad decisions to buy things or do things not on the premise of it being an "investment", but because most of us are very weak. We do the things we do because we are victims to advertising and peer pressure. You think they spend billions on advertising for nothing? If you read this and you are thinking, "No I…

> then you should realize averages exist because half of the people are below it.

Only true of median.

Re: The Logic of “Stupid” Poor People

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I read the whole article and do not agree. Here in Silicon Valley the importance of appearances has become marginal. Yes, you have to be clean, presentable, but that's it. After that you need the skills, talent, knowledge and aptitude to perform your job. And you need that everyday, to keep your job, in this hyper-competitive environment. I was a poor starving immigrant student at one point. I did fine without even m…

Tech is a weird culture, where the status symbols are totally different. Knowing weird programming languages, having open source contributions, and appreciating nerdy humor are all more important than clothing choice. (Though someone who accidentally wears something too "fancy" might not get taken seriously.)

But for pretty much anything other than "getting a programming job", this essay is pretty much spot on.

Re: The Logic of “Stupid” Poor People

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I read the whole article and do not agree. Here in Silicon Valley the importance of appearances has become marginal. Yes, you have to be clean, presentable, but that's it. After that you need the skills, talent, knowledge and aptitude to perform your job. And you need that everyday, to keep your job, in this hyper-competitive environment. I was a poor starving immigrant student at one point. I did fine without even m…

I agree with you for the most part, but I think the point the author's trying to make is that "poor" people may not see it that way; instead, to them, lavish riches create a sense of belonging.

Partially right.

We live in a culture where Fergie can get up and talk about living a jet set mentality and there are songs on the radio today talking about Maybachs, etc.

Couple that with a lack of education on financial well being, and suddenly you have people making unwise choices.

Re: The Logic of “Stupid” Poor People

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Beautiful analysis of privilege, class signifiers and race.

Technology culture and employment in the United States is dominated by straight white males, usually with some form of class and economic privilege--people who haven't had to navigate within their society with an extreme outsider status--but there are welcome signs of a growing critical self awareness.

Over the years on HN, I've seen many posts questioning the economic value of a four year college education, particularly an education in the humanities. This right here is a great post to keep in your pocket the next time someone says something like that.

Re: The Logic of “Stupid” Poor People

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An equally good question is why to poor people vote republican? Because they want to belong. And through financial osmosis people who vote republican become rich, right? That is the thinking anyway.

Wait, where did you read that poor people vote republican? I would've guessed otherwise.

I know! Why can't poor people just vote themselves more and more unaffordable benefits like in Greece. What could possibly go wrong?
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