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Why Meteor will kill Ruby on Rails

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Re: Why Meteor will kill Ruby on Rails

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Post by Sivart13 »

salimane wrote: post #219
nostrademons wrote: post #207

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That's all true, but I'm also beginning to wonder how much you actually need those frameworks to build MVPs quickly. I used to do the bulk of my prototyping with Python + Django + JQuery + Postgres or AppEngine Datastore. Of late, I've switched a lot of it to just straight HTML + Javascript + a JSON feed from backends. If I need server-side computation, I'll build a quick Go or webapp2 app on AppEngine. I work just a…

is there any small library ala "notjquery.js" that is a drop in replacement for jquery but that calls the browser native stuff directly ? serious question ?

jQuery is a map between its own small grammar and "the browser's generic stuff". You're thinking of jQuery.

Re: Why Meteor will kill Ruby on Rails

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Post by hrjet »

woah wrote: post #86
AndrewBissell wrote: post #80

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No, I'm referring to the languages themselves. JS does a very few things better than Java, but it is simply chock full of bizarre type coercion rules, strange semantics, and other "hall of mirrors" gotchas which make it much harder to learn and work with than other dynamic languages. And yes, Java has some of these too, but they occupy a much smaller share of the language base, and are often a side-effect of useful f…

I've never had any type coercion bugs, can you elaborate?

https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat

Re: Why Meteor will kill Ruby on Rails

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Post by manojlds »

salimane wrote: post #219
nostrademons wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's all true, but I'm also beginning to wonder how much you actually need those frameworks to build MVPs quickly. I used to do the bulk of my prototyping with Python + Django + JQuery + Postgres or AppEngine Datastore. Of late, I've switched a lot of it to just straight HTML + Javascript + a JSON feed from backends. If I need server-side computation, I'll build a quick Go or webapp2 app on AppEngine. I work just a…

is there any small library ala "notjquery.js" that is a drop in replacement for jquery but that calls the browser native stuff directly ? serious question ?

Smaller than jquery would be Zepto.js

Re: Why Meteor will kill Ruby on Rails

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Post by slashclee »

neya wrote: post #166

This is bullshit. In my whole experience as a full stack developer, after having tried various technologies and languages and frameworks - including ones built with PHP, Ruby, Scala, Javascript and Golang, I can this say with full confidence and can afford to put my name and credibility to stake - Nothing is going to replace Ruby on rails anytime soon. I wish something would, but nothing at the moment, is even close…

This is bullshit. In my whole experience as a full stack developer, after having tried various technologies and languages and frameworks - including ones built with Perl, PHP, ColdFusion, and WebObjects, I can this say with full confidence and can afford to put my name and credibility to stake - Nothing is going to replace Enterprise JavaBeans anytime soon.

I wish something would, but nothing at the moment, is even close to the scale at which EJB gets things done. I truly mean it. And something built out of Ruby replacing a Java-based full-bleed framework? I think you must be fucking kidding me. What the author describes is a very specific use-case and maybe, just maybe Rails might replace a portion of that use case. In fact, if I were to do something like what the author suggests, I would still choose EJB and jBoss (or Orion if you know it better).

etc, etc.

Re: Why Meteor will kill Ruby on Rails

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Post by spamizbad »

salimane wrote: post #219
nostrademons wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's all true, but I'm also beginning to wonder how much you actually need those frameworks to build MVPs quickly. I used to do the bulk of my prototyping with Python + Django + JQuery + Postgres or AppEngine Datastore. Of late, I've switched a lot of it to just straight HTML + Javascript + a JSON feed from backends. If I need server-side computation, I'll build a quick Go or webapp2 app on AppEngine. I work just a…

is there any small library ala "notjquery.js" that is a drop in replacement for jquery but that calls the browser native stuff directly ? serious question ?

You probably want something like Zepto.js. I'd also look into Lo-dash, which is a better, more functional-friendly version of Underscore.js that provides a ton of useful helper functions.

Be warned: Zepto doesn't claim to support any version of IE, so if you need IE support you'll want to fall back to jquery (yepnope works. Conditional HTML won't in IE10+).

Re: Why Meteor will kill Ruby on Rails

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Post by collint »

joshowens wrote: post #142
jarsbe wrote: post #119

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I'd love to see some examples of these apps, are you able to please share?

Sure: http://www.shinglecentral.com/ http://assistant.io/ http://lister.io/ Are just a few from the last 1.5 months.

josh owens.

your domain is literally "shingle" central

what? I don't even

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