There's worse leaks to come. There are hardware-based backdoors in 90+% of the Tier1 routers. The whole Internet is basically bugged.
NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide
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Re: NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide
#542Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is not so much about the expected behavior of a spy agency, or how the US government justify itself "But it's only on non-citizens". That's kind of expected, like you explained. The problem is when the medias, the public and politicians are reassuring and reassured by that "But it's only for non-citizens". To a foreigner like me, what I see is that US citizens, medias and politicians are just fine with my…
Correct. You have no legal right to privacy in the US and enjoy none of the legal protections from our government that citizens enjoy (or should). You can be renditioned, spied on and wiretapped with no legal recourse in the US. Similarly Americans don't enjoy legal protections from the governments of other countries. Now two countries may enter into an agreement not to surveil each other or their citizens. That is c…
"Similarly Americans don't enjoy legal protections from the governments of other countries."
Yeah right.
Re: NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide
#543What strikes me most reading NSA related articles, that for Americans the problem here is not the global surveillance itself, but the domestic spying. Wtf? Is my anonymity and freedom less valuable just because I don't have a USA signed piece of paper? It's a serious problem that touches everyone who uses digital communications (pretty much every human being on the word nowadays)and such data collection should be illegal on anyone unless he's under a warrant or belongs to opposite forces during war times. I'm very sad and disappointed that EU leaders don't have balls to stand up for this.
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#544Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am at a loss for words. Arrogant, self-righteous, disrespectful, ignorant, mendacious...nothing cuts it. It is illegal in the US but who cares about the rest of the world? I can not remember when something similar made me that angry as the current conduct of the US does. If I would not know better that this would negatively affect the whole world and innocent US citizens and that emotional reactions are usually not…
> I am at a loss for words. Arrogant, self-righteous, disrespectful, ignorant, mendacious...nothing cuts it. It is illegal in the US but who cares about the rest of the world? Do you really believe that this is the modus operandi only of the United States? Since, say, France has _at least_ the same position with regard to the rest of the world vs. French citizens, are you angry at France too? Will you cut all french,…
France hasn't built itself on a platform of French Exceptionalism. The USA demonstrably has.
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#545Earlier quoted context omitted.
> people do not actually care about their privacy This is 100% accurate, I've attempted to aggressively promote privacy tools well before the NSA/Snowden stuff among the people I know. They still don't care to use simple things like OTR with IM. They might use it for one week, and switch back. Journalists/tech sites love making this seem like the biggest deal in society right now, but hardly the case in reality. I'm…
I think it has to do with "privacy" being a general word that means many things; some of which people care about, some they don't. As much as I hate how politicials/lobbyists/etc. do this, I think a better way to get people to respond and care about the issue it to label it differently. For example, instead of saying "privacy", say "your credit card and bank info is compromised/stolen". Or that your "identity / SSN i…
What about: Your most intimate moment broadcasted to a bunch if geeks at NSA
Re: NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide
#546Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is not so much about the expected behavior of a spy agency, or how the US government justify itself "But it's only on non-citizens". That's kind of expected, like you explained. The problem is when the medias, the public and politicians are reassuring and reassured by that "But it's only for non-citizens". To a foreigner like me, what I see is that US citizens, medias and politicians are just fine with my…
Correct. You have no legal right to privacy in the US and enjoy none of the legal protections from our government that citizens enjoy (or should). You can be renditioned, spied on and wiretapped with no legal recourse in the US. Similarly Americans don't enjoy legal protections from the governments of other countries. Now two countries may enter into an agreement not to surveil each other or their citizens. That is c…
how about when the government makes you renounce citizenship and waive your right to sue them?
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#547Earlier quoted context omitted.
The US government throws its weight around by ordering sanctions against countries that have policies it does not agree with. I have no doubt that, where sanctions would be politically unpopular, there are back-room blackmailings of some type. That said, instituting similar sanctions against the US should absolutely be the number one thing the rest of the world responds with! It might not be every US citizen that is…
>using political and economic power rather than pure force Inconceivable!
> to control the world.
you left out a big part of the statement quoted. The tactics you listed would be commendable in comparison to pure force if the end goal wasn't world domination.
Since the end goal IS world domination, however, then no means is suitable from a humanity perspective.
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#548Offtopic, but there's a problem on this site with this kind of story now. I'm not sure if it's the flamewar detection, or flagging, or some other automated system, but stories like this which are very popular and not remotely a flamewar, but an interesting discussion, are disappearing off the home page too fast in my opinion. This is a topic that will define a generation's attitude to technology and the internet, and is particularly pertinent to silicone valley.
Yet this morning this story went from top of the page:
14. NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide (washingtonpost.com) 1395 points by nqureshi 15 hours ago | flag | 533 comments
To behind stories like this:
12. Java Virtual Machine in pure Node.js (github.com) 232 points by binarymax 16 hours ago | flag | 129 comments
I'd be interested to know the reason, and perhaps whatever algorithm is voting this down could be adjusted, because it's clearly not working?
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#549I think this is of endgame for network security, I don't see a way out -- the Sony Rootkit[1] should have been the point where I realized but it is just sinking in for me now since the Snowden NSA leak. Any network connected computer will be running an OS+Applications which are typically a gigabyte or more. This is produced by companies which are beholden to a nation state, and the companies can be coerced[2] or comp…
Agreed. What's funny is we're wondering why people who still buy stuff from Sony don't seem to get outraged about the NSA.
Nobody ever cares about this stuff until it is way too late.
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#550Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because some users do not have the privilege of doing even such rudimentary tasks, without the danger of being persecuted, prosecuted or worse by the tyrant regime they happen to be living under.
Right, but Richard Stallman is not one of those people.
Right, but the idea is that if enough people with Stallman methodologies emerge, then the services that cater to those people must adapt or fail.
It's the same concept as 'voting with your dollar'. It works, he just chose a set of methodologies that are unlikely to become popular enough to change things..
But the fact that we are dicussing him & his methodologies in relationship to security is exactly his goal. He isn't advocating for everyone to emulate his ideas of how to use the internet, he is advocating the idea that people must truly think about what the repercussions of their usage actually entail.
rms experienced the sixties. that might be a signifigant factor in his choice of protest. hell, he even relates DoS attacks to modern day sit-ins.